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Sitting at home all day I can hear the vehicles go by.
The annoying noise of bad mufflers, or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust, makes me want electric cars to take over asap.
But then, what will people that need noise do?
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 07:11:01 pm »
The engine sound is only a part of the sound a vehicle emits. Rolling friction, brakes and air drag also cause noise.
Besides, at least in Europe, electric vehicles have to create mandatory sounds so they can be noticed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2020, 07:12:37 pm »
I live beside a city road which alternates between very busy and very quiet. One thing I've noticed is that electric cars sound not very different to ordinary IC cars. The road noise dominates and they are still annoyingly loud.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2020, 07:27:04 pm »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2020, 07:28:09 pm »
The engine sound is only a part of the sound a vehicle emits. Rolling friction, brakes and air drag also cause noise.
Besides, at least in Europe, electric vehicles have to create mandatory sounds so they can be noticed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds

True, but when you live in a quarter where teenagers are doing motocross every bloody day on minibikes, quads and cross bikes, with no plates (thus no registration and no insurance), no helmets, riding like idiots through the parkings, grass, across the sidewalks, through the groups of kids playing football, racket for hours like on a race track (the more noise the bike makes, the bigger is your street cred!), stench of the gasoline so that you can't even open a window ...

And nobody can do anything with these "street rodeos" because the municipal police doesn't want to trigger riots (we are the so called 'sensitive quarter') and we don't have national police nor gendarmerie here, it gets old pretty fast. I am living here for 10 years and it has been like this from day one, only getting worse and more frequent with time.

On the other hand I am not having any illusions that even when 30 years from now gasoline powered vehicles will be verbotten that this will be any better - when it comes to antisocial behaviour, people are extremely resourceful.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2020, 08:08:58 pm »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.
:bullshit: This is total BULLSHIT!
Loud pipes are a sign of assholes that either haven't grown up or never will grow up.   |O
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2020, 08:12:35 pm »
I'd love for them to go away if the replacement was better. The current solution is frankly nothing more than a joke.
Travel distance -sucks
Vehicle longevity -sucks donkey farts. Second hand value is basically none since the battery has a limited life span and a replacement is way more expensive than the vehicle is worth.
This is bad both for the environment and for people that can't afford a brand spanking new car every 8-10 years.
Energy generation -yeah don't get me started on that joke. We have solar freaking roadways and wind turbines as an alternative to coal and waterfalls which is equally as useless.
The governments panic the moment Nuclear is mentioned so we can't even generate enough energy if we go all electrical

And loud pipes are nice! ;)

He's right about the noise btw. Had a bicycle up my ass a couple of years ago due to a drunk idiot. If he rode on something with an engine i'd hear him coming from behind.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 08:17:09 pm by chriva »
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2020, 08:16:51 pm »
At highway speed cars make much more road noise than engine noise, but i can see how a noisy exhaust can be annoying.
I say this as a guy who drives a noisy car but mine makes noise of the turbo variety  ^-^
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2020, 08:22:52 pm »
I'd love for them to go away if the replacement was better. The current solution is frankly nothing more than a joke.
Travel distance -sucks
Vehicle longevity -sucks donkey farts. Second hand value is basically none since the battery has a limited life span and a replacement is way more expensive than the vehicle is worth.
Hybrids (regular and plug in) fix both of those problems.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2020, 08:32:39 pm »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.

That's why most of them also have "46" stickers, because they want to be safe, not because they have wet dreams with Il Dottore. I think the loud pipes are really just a cry for attention from a child in an adult body, an annoyance to everyone caused by some guy's lack of acknowledgement through puberty.

The thing is, staying under the speed limit and keeping your lane saves lives; probably, a guy on a loud motorbike is actually less likely to reach old age.

/my rant
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2020, 08:36:19 pm »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.

That's why most of them also have "46" stickers, because they want to be safe, not because they have wet dreams with Il Dottore. I think the loud pipes are really just a cry for attention from a child in an adult body, an annoyance to everyone caused by some guy's lack of acknowledgement through puberty.

The thing is, staying under the speed limit and keeping your lane saves lives; probably, a guy on a loud motorbike is actually less likely to reach old age.

/my rant

I wonder how sad your life is if you can't let people enjoy their hobbies without calling them stuff like that.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2020, 08:41:02 pm »
Normal cars are not the issue here. As many have stated, on higher speeds, the engine is not really an issue, noise-wise.

It's all those overtuned, over motorised "sports cars". Maybe even going the speed limit, but apparently intenionally high revving their engines, just to be loud. And to not get me started on motorbikes. Where i live, the main road is about 500 meters from the house, give or take. There is even small forest between the house and the road. But that road is a place where motorbikes like to go fast, especially now that the weather is getting nicer. So damn annoying.
You can even hear them sometimes wrooming along on the Autobahn, which is roughly 4 kilometers away.

And don't get me started on that annoying kid in the area who apparently has a new moped. Whatever he did to that poor machine made it so damn loud, and he does not stay on the main road and sometimes drives by several times a day just below my window.

A couple of years ago, i read an article about one of the first Harley Davidson all electric prototypes. Supposedly that thing was *intentionally* build to be just as loud as a normal Harley. Shit like that should not be street legal.
And yes, i know that all electric machines, when going slow, need additional noise. I support that. But those noises can be made significantly less obnoxious than excessive engine noise.

EDIT: @chivra: If your "hobby" is to cause annoyance to virtually everyone near you, you cannot be surprised if people do not like said "hobby".
« Last Edit: May 10, 2020, 08:42:50 pm by Ranayna »
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2020, 08:41:53 pm »
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Loud pipes are a sign of assholes that either haven't grown up or never will grow up
Or the sign of someone whos fed up of other road users not paying attention to whats going on around them,hi vis clothing , headlights on,still they claim not to have seen the bike they pulled out in front off.I no longer ride,but the first thing fitted to any of my bikes was a bloody loud air horn,it saved me from idiots in tin boxes on many occasions.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2020, 08:52:56 pm »
But then, what will people that need noise do?

Well, there will be a requirement for electric cars to make artificial noise, so just substitute "loud pipes" with "loud speakers"  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2020, 09:19:48 pm »
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I wonder how sad your life is if you can't let people enjoy their hobbies without calling them stuff like that.

My life's quite happy, thanks for the interest.

Just because it's someone's hobby doesn't mean it's OK to do it; plenty of people are passionate about doing illegal / imoral / inconsiderate stuff.

There's also a distinction on what hobby we're talking about; "being an a-hole on the road" is more or less the opposite of "motorcycle racing".
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2020, 09:29:08 pm »
I like this rant and wholeheartedly agree.

Large diesels, like buses and semis, and construction vehicles, produce a stress-inducing spectrum of noise, not to mention the horrible particulate emissions which smell bad and cause cancer. There is almost zero technical reason why these couldn't run 99% on electricity (in the city, not talking about highway). These are IMO even worse than the moped assholes, although those come close. In comparison to that, modern gasoline passenger vehicles are almost OK.

But let's talk about the motorcycle/moped folks who purposedfully damage their mufflers. It's totally and utterly unbelievable that in our modern Western society Eastern bureaucratic society which tries to pose as something else, where everything is regulated beyond imagination and you can do absolutely nothing without certifications, permits and whatnot (which are impossible to get for anything interesting), there is no regulation and sanctioning of causing such real damage and distress, on purpose, without any benefit to anyone (except the satisfaction the psychopath gets out of harassing others).

In contrast, if I tried, say, building a small log cottage and live in peace in forest not causing damage to anyone, the multitude of officials would immediately come to destroy my life and create a lifelong court drama costing likely tens of thousands.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2020, 09:30:58 pm »
But then, what will people that need noise do?

Well, there will be a requirement for electric cars to make artificial noise, so just substitute "loud pipes" with "loud speakers"  :popcorn:

No need for speakers, you can hear the electric car drivers telling everyone how great they are from miles away!!
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2020, 09:37:55 pm »
I wonder how sad your life is if you can't let people enjoy their hobbies without calling them stuff like that.

I'd like to see how your opinion on harassing others with obnoxious levels of noise changes after you have lived next to a highway for a few years... It is absolutely fantastic not being able to vent your rooms at night and having to sleep in a 30+°C bedroom in the summer because some people just can't live with a muffler on their exhaust pipes.

I have nothing against other peoples hobbies as long as they don't harrass others while doing it. And nothing quite says "F*ck you society" like smoking in public or "forgetting" to install a muffler. If you want people to notice you, use an airhorn.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2020, 10:23:32 pm »
I live pretty close to a freeway and the noise was pretty annoying so I installed double pane windows for every window in the house, noise gone. I don't think loud pipes save lives(ride a bmw r1150rs and s1000xr) but if it makes people feel better I don't care they can do what they want. Same with loud muffler vehicles though... If you really want to hear your own exhaust while driving all the time you should do what you like. It's not necessary but so many things in life people enjoy aren't necessary, like a noise free environment.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2020, 11:04:02 pm »
I wonder how sad your life is if you can't let people enjoy their hobbies without calling them stuff like that.

I'd like to see how your opinion on harassing others with obnoxious levels of noise changes after you have lived next to a highway for a few years... It is absolutely fantastic not being able to vent your rooms at night and having to sleep in a 30+°C bedroom in the summer because some people just can't live with a muffler on their exhaust pipes.

I have nothing against other peoples hobbies as long as they don't harrass others while doing it. And nothing quite says "F*ck you society" like smoking in public or "forgetting" to install a muffler. If you want people to notice you, use an airhorn.
I agree. Bikes which make noise is for 10 year old kids. Adults should know better.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2020, 11:58:12 pm »
But then, what will people that need noise do?

Well, there will be a requirement for electric cars to make artificial noise, so just substitute "loud pipes" with "loud speakers"  :popcorn:

No need for speakers, you can hear the electric car drivers telling everyone how great they are from miles away!!

No, they would be drowned out by the bicycle riders!
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2020, 02:22:27 am »
A guy across the street recently bought a new car, some kind of high performance Camaro. It's obnoxiously loud. I think he knows it. Within the apartment complex he barely goes above idle. I find it hard to believe a new car that loud is legal to sell but apparently it is.

The grounds keeping company used by the apartment complex seems to specialize in annoyance with their ridiculously loud equipment. Worst thing is that instead of doing one section at a time to completion, which would get the annoyance over quickly, they make three passes a couple of hours apart. First they go around and cut the grass, then they come back and trim, and finally the worst part - blowing all the clippings off the paved areas.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2020, 02:42:07 am »
That's pretty normal. My gardeners do it in the same order. Other neighbors gardeners too. Your specific problem with the Camaro might be with your complex layout. I've seen, and lived in, many that really keep the sound in from ground level. Lets the noise echo and reverberate.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2020, 02:45:04 am »
For me, it's: riced-out import econoboxes :-- , 2-stroke diesels and big American V8s :-+

Fortunately I hear a lot more of the latter.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2020, 02:47:09 am »
But then, what will people that need noise do?

Well, there will be a requirement for electric cars to make artificial noise, so just substitute "loud pipes" with "loud speakers"  :popcorn:

No need for speakers, you can hear the electric car drivers telling everyone how great they are from miles away!!

 ;D


We have our fair share of attention seeking no life noise junkies here too,
and 'silence is golden' isn't going to happen no matter what 'quiet tech' cars prevail eventually 

What's the bet they'll have sampled sounds of racing cars, V8 classics and annoying hoon screeching,
mixed in with the usual doof boff boff doof distorted racket  :palm:  pumping through their stereo and boot subs
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(wide open** for a flying paper bagged dog and cat poo collection, or paint filled balloon cocktail to be tossed in as they hoon past at 3am..)  >:D

 


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