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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2020, 02:57:26 am »
The engine sound is only a part of the sound a vehicle emits. Rolling friction, brakes and air drag also cause noise.
Besides, at least in Europe, electric vehicles have to create mandatory sounds so they can be noticed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds
I'm not sure why they are demanding this. Several times a Renault Zoe or Nissan Leaf has passed me, and I didn't realise it was an electric car until I saw the name on the back. A gasoline car makes more noise while accelerating, but at a steady 30MPH tyre noise dominates with most modern cars.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2020, 03:04:20 am »

A car with a good new set of freshly worn in tyres, on certain road surfaces, can roll past and lucky to hear or discern anything,
especially with the usual background noise going as well

Take extra care for silent traffic when crossing roads by foot, especially at corners
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2020, 05:43:45 am »
Sitting at home all day I can hear the vehicles go by.
The annoying noise of bad mufflers, or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust, makes me want electric cars to take over asap.
But then, what will people that need noise do?

sorry, the ICE will never die. And elecric vehichles will be MANDATED to make sound as they go because people and animals need to be aware that the vehichle is on and running.

At least three times in my life i have almost been hit from a fucking prius in reverse, couldn't hear a damn thing and the driver wasn't watching because you know parking sensors.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2020, 06:33:00 am »
Changed my mind.
I have a loud Lotus Elise sports car and love it, had sports cars most of my life.
But, recently during the Chinese virus problem I have found it is quite obvious to me that ICEs must go.
The air is so much cleaner all the noise is gone and nature is back.
Not looking forward to the return to the road of ICEs, its not about petrol prices its about humans.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2020, 06:34:45 am by Kerlin »
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2020, 06:37:24 am »
"It's about humans" Yeah, say that to the cobalt miners...  :palm:

I can buy the environmental nonsense you pull but that is just a desperate quote.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2020, 07:06:30 am »
Wrong !
I am not a greenie and think they are wildly misdirected and that global warming being caused by cars is rubbish.
Its unproven what is causing it and there have been many such changes before, they are being used as political tools and don't know it.
I am a person who has recently suffered a fall in health and have had a sudden fall from a life of Karate classes to hospitals now.
I have had pneumonia and asthma try it, that's why I felt the difference so much.

Don't tell me the air here has not been substantially cleaner.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2020, 07:12:55 am »
Sitting at home all day I can hear the vehicles go by.
The annoying noise of bad mufflers, or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust, makes me want electric cars to take over asap.
But then, what will people that need noise do?
You should move next to a commuter rail. Your hatred of motorcycles will be cured.
 
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2020, 07:15:34 am »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.
There's loud and then there's an insanely loud dickhead driving through the middle of a city at 10 PM, that can be heard five seconds before driving around my house and five seconds after, managing to wake up my kid.

Quite frankly that's a life that's not worth saving.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2020, 08:27:52 am »
A few fiber or steel wire may be the solution.

Have you actually done something like that or are you only playing a smartass on TV? This would qualify as attempted murder in most places, never mind that you can't exactly string a wire across the public street!  :palm:
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2020, 09:30:58 am »
A few fiber or steel wire may be the solution.

Have you actually done something like that or are you only playing a smartass on TV? This would qualify as attempted murder in most places, never mind that you can't exactly string a wire across the public street! :palm:

A lot easier and less mess getting a few masked good ol boys to follow the creeps and grab them when they stop at the lights

Copy their IDs and phone numbers, and tell them nicely what streets are no go from now on, and to spread the Word to others,
and understood there's no second friendly meeting, or Word  >:D

The good ol POLICE used to do that once upon a time, and I still remember their Word to this day,
and never pushed my luck to hear it again  :phew:

To be fair to all noisy idiots, there's an appropriate time and place for it,
otherwise give it a miss before sleep deprived Joe Public and his punchy mates go v!g!lant! on your case   >:( >:(
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2020, 10:21:16 am »
A few fiber or steel wire may be the solution.

Have you actually done something like that or are you only playing a smartass on TV? This would qualify as attempted murder in most places, never mind that you can't exactly string a wire across the public street! :palm:

A lot easier and less mess getting a few masked good ol boys to follow the creeps and grab them when they stop at the lights

Copy their IDs and phone numbers, and tell them nicely what streets are no go from now on, and to spread the Word to others,
and understood there's no second friendly meeting, or Word  >:D

The good ol POLICE used to do that once upon a time, and I still remember their Word to this day,
and never pushed my luck to hear it again  :phew:

To be fair to all noisy idiots, there's an appropriate time and place for it,
otherwise give it a miss before sleep deprived Joe Public and his punchy mates go v!g!lant! on your case   >:( >:(

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2020, 05:49:09 pm »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.
There's loud and then there's an insanely loud dickhead driving through the middle of a city at 10 PM, that can be heard five seconds before driving around my house and five seconds after, managing to wake up my kid.

This is the nightly occurrence near my house, which is in a moderate-sized southwest-US city. And the cops don't give a shit. They could park a couple of cops near the usual intersections and they could simply impound all of the riders and the problem would go away. But they don't do it.

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Quite frankly that's a life that's not worth saving.

I agree.

I hear the high/fast revving of engines, and I keep waiting for the inevitable crash. Still waiting.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2020, 06:56:09 pm »
elecric vehichles will be MANDATED to make sound as they go because people and animals need to be aware that the vehichle is on and running.
Maybe they can just take the V8 engine sound that some "sports" cars with lesser engines presently route through the internal speakers (I am not making that up, https://www.thedrive.com/tech/22834/from-acura-to-vw-bmw-to-porsche-car-companies-are-getting-sneakier-about-engine-sound-enhancement) and pump it through externally mounted speakers on electric cars. I offer this idea free for nothing as my contribution to the electric car industry.  :-DD

Seriously though, the near-silence of an electric car is its Number One attraction for me. If electric cars are required to generate artificial noise, my interest in purchasing one drops to less than zero. Yes, less than zero, they have other inherent disadvantages which the silence just barely overcomes... if that's lost, I'd actively seek to NOT own one.

EDIT: As for silence, our Toyota minivan's engine is so quiet that I've actually parked and gotten out of it leaving the engine running. More than once. So has my wife. And our hearing is great. So are "they" going to impose a "minimum noise threshold" on ICE's too, or is that prejudice reserved only for electric cars?
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2020, 09:03:22 pm »
Sitting at home all day I can hear the vehicles go by.
The annoying noise of bad mufflers, or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust, makes me want electric cars to take over asap.
But then, what will people that need noise do?
You should move next to a commuter rail. Your hatred of motorcycles will be cured.

There was a time a commuter rail was right behind my apartment building.

If frequent enough, I think most will get used to the noise around them and sleep without problem.  Prior to that, my front door opens literally to Main Street which also was a state highway, I got used to that and slept without problem.  After I moved from that commuter rail to another place not near a highway or rail, I got used to the neighbors arguments and their over-exaggerated mating activities, and I have personal knowledge of their infidelities but of course I kept to my own business and I got used to that too.

Then I moved rural - a rail track with a road crossing (horn blowing) a mile away with occasional night train(s).  I had to re-acquire the "getting used to" and I did.

Now, I want the gardeners to do the leaf-blowing everyday, then I could get used to that.  They do blowing less than once a month.  Enough to be annoying but not enough to "get used to it" while I sleep.  We should have a law that shooting at leaf-blowers is a justifiable self-defense.  Perhaps I am being hard on the gardeners.  They keep on driving over stuff on my lawn.  I don't know how many times I had to deal with the squashed rain-drainage pipes.  One time, I manage to stop him and talk to him right before he drove over it - he smiled, said nothing, and then continued and squashed my drain pipes again.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2020, 09:33:05 pm »
Why is hot-rodding such a big industry? Why was hardley ableson so big? It's probably not because (the people who drive them) don't like how the engines of those vehicles sound. I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that they like how those engines sound, and don't care if they're too loud. Another thing is that their ears have probably adjusted (become damaged) to the point where they're comfortable with the sound. Sometimes the exhaust reverberates, and it never sounds good.

Apart from that, loud pipes don't save lives, motorcycles are inherently less noticeable to the average driver, so the probability of an accident is already so high that the exhaust system makes little difference statistically. Also, this isn't helped by the fact that many who preach this mentality are the same ones who don't wear a helmet. Another thing, please don't confuse the people with fart cans and speed holes in their mufflers with those that actually have good exhaust systems that sound good but aren't too loud.

Having said all that, human drivers are inherently flawed, and excluding motorcycles, I certainly wouldn't mind it if there was nothing but driver less electric cars. If they could work out all the kinks, there would be less accidents, and I could make longer trips without having to stay at a motel.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2020, 10:23:45 pm »
They keep on driving over stuff on my lawn.  I don't know how many times I had to deal with the squashed rain-drainage pipes.
Sounds like you need to decorate around your pipes with some of those tire-popping spikey things. A couple of expensive tires and that problem would likely disappear.

I had a similar problem once. Construction trucks, really big ones that carried 12-14 cubic yards of material, were driving right along my concrete driveway. Only a matter of time until they cracked it with all that weight right at the edge. I put up one of those bright orange construction fences and they just drove over it. So somehow, a few of the fenceposts got raised up a little... so the spikey bits at the bottom were above ground... and a couple of rigs lost a few tires all on that same side as the spikes ripped through their sidewalls. Sidewalls cannot be repaired, so those were some very expensive big construction-rated replacement tires. And suddenly they gave my driveway a nice, wide berth. Problem solved.  :-+

EDIT: They're called "caltrops". Here's ten for under 20 USD: https://www.etsy.com/listing/386721670

I especially like the ones that are hollow, they guarantee immediate deflation:


They might be a nice addition to your garden areas.
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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2020, 10:30:24 pm »
Alternatively... Get new gardeners. Why is everyone so malicious.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2020, 12:05:55 am »
Alternatively... Get new gardeners. Why is everyone so malicious.
"I manage to stop him and talk to him right before he drove over it - he smiled, said nothing, and then continued and squashed my drain pipes again."

It's not malicious. His tires aren't supposed to be on the drain pipes in the first place. AND he's been asked specifically to avoid them. There's nothing wrong with decorating the drain pipe area a little "differently", and no harm occurs if the gardener simply does the normal, logical, and requested action of not driving over the drain pipe.

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2020, 12:41:24 am »
What is the problem with getting new gardeners? No, you'd rather try and get revenge. That's malicious. Oh and life not worth saving because they make noises some of you don't like? Absolutely ridiculous.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2020, 01:03:47 am »
You can only ask arrogant idiots nicely so many times, till you realize they think you're either beneath them, or a soft fool

so.. let the Tyre Shop dude make an extra buck or two out of the deal,  :clap:

till the problem eventually 'fixes itself'  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2020, 01:15:44 am »
What is the problem with getting new gardeners? No, you'd rather try and get revenge. That's malicious. Oh and life not worth saving because they make noises some of you don't like? Absolutely ridiculous.

There is a cultural difference here. American's are often so passive and so lemming like that they will gladly go over the cliff with the herd.

Get out and live in the world and you will realize you need to deal with shit when it happens otherwise you end up living in the shit.

Now what you have here is a prick. How do you deal with a prick? You could talk to him. If he is still a prick you could encourage him not to be a prick? How you encourage him not to be a prick is the key.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2020, 01:18:49 am »
The interesting thing about loud car exhausts, is that they don't make a car peform any better in any practical sense.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2020, 01:28:04 am »
There is a cultural difference here. American's are often so passive and so lemming like that they will gladly go over the cliff with the herd.
Not all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=killdozer+footage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2020, 01:43:10 am »
There is a cultural difference here. American's are often so passive and so lemming like that they will gladly go over the cliff with the herd.
Not all of them.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=killdozer+footage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

Haha... yeah there are a few exceptions. I actually remember that case. In general though there was a kind of collective brainwashing going which is why they were all jumping under the tables in case of a nuclear strike. The fact of the matter was London was far more of a target than the US ever was and that same shit never happened. You live there for a while and you realize why their political systems is so fucked up and why they get the presidents they do. It's not like its perfect anywhere but its like that movie tropic thunder "never go full retard". Full retard is a permanent state for a bunch of them. I worked in a place where it again was so fucked up that the only people who ever said it was fucked up were foreigners. Meanwhile one of the Americans had essentially had a stroke in his cube - next to all the other Americans, sat there literally drooling for a month before anyone had the decency to get him some help. Blinkers on - go home - don't know the neighbours - don't give a shit about the co-workers, just kiss ass and hope to make it through the next layoff. Sorry but reality sucks.
 

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Re: Rant: Can't wait for the end of internal combustion vehicles
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2020, 02:21:21 am »
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or in the case of motorcycles the intentionally loud exhaust,
Loud pipes saves lives.

That's why most of them also have "46" stickers, because they want to be safe, not because they have wet dreams with Il Dottore. I think the loud pipes are really just a cry for attention from a child in an adult body, an annoyance to everyone caused by some guy's lack of acknowledgement through puberty.

The thing is, staying under the speed limit and keeping your lane saves lives; probably, a guy on a loud motorbike is actually less likely to reach old age.

/my rant

I wonder how sad your life is if you can't let people enjoy their hobbies without calling them stuff like that.

Annoying others is a hobby?  :-//

 :)
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