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wraper:

--- Quote from: CJay on November 26, 2020, 06:05:33 pm ---Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

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I know it's radioactive and leaves it's traces all around. That's why I said it's easy to discover. The worst thing to kill stealthily.

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There are thousands of times cheaper and more effective poisons, which leave way less traces. Say amanita phalloides (death cap) or it's relatives which are available to anyone for free. If you make an extract from it, you will need only a very tiny amount to kill with certainty. And as it has delayed symptoms, by the time you feel anything wrong, given enough dosage, you are already dead.

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: wraper on November 26, 2020, 06:29:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: CJay on November 26, 2020, 06:05:33 pm ---Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

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I know it's radioactive and leaves it's traces all around. That's why I said it's easy to discover. The worst thing to kill stealthily.

--- Quote ---hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact
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There are thousands of times cheaper and more effective poisons, which leave way less traces. Say amanita phalloides (death cap) or it's relatives which are available to anyone for free. If you make an extract from it, you will need only a very tiny amount to kill with certainty. And as it has delayed symptoms, by the time you fell something, given enough dosage, you are already dead.

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You're making the fundamental mistake thinking that the intention was NOT to be discovered to have killed a dissident living overseas. If you want to kill someone unattributably and quietly they get stabbed in a "mugging gone wrong" something that unfortunately can happen to anyone in any major city in the world. Poisoning someone, with anything, is a sure way to be discovered. To do it with something only easily available to a nation state, a highly restricted radioisotope, was the whole point.

S. Petrukhin:

--- Quote from: CJay on November 26, 2020, 06:06:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: S. Petrukhin on November 26, 2020, 05:59:27 pm ---And as entertainment, I recommend that you look for the BBC series "Secret operations MI6". It aired on Discovery a couple of years ago. There, the British literally brag about how their secret service killed unwanted people in other countries. Just because the UK government didn't like them. By the decision of some people, not the court. And this is not Kremlin propaganda, but the state channel of Great Britain.

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Absolutely, what makes you think your government doesn't do exactly the same?

Because they told you so?

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It doesn't talk about the relationship between spies and agents - they have their own world.

Because I don't accept Russian propaganda. I often watch what they say to foreign media. I can see how blatantly they lie because I'm here and I can see it with my own eyes. Not you and not your media, but I was holding the hand of a child of a refugee from Luhansk, who shuddered and began to cry then fireworks in my town, that they think were being shelled. And you are told that the Russians attacked Ukraine. If you had less faith in the dishonest media, you could have made sure of everything yourself by asking people who are in it. There are a lot of videos taken by ordinary people on their phones. There is no propaganda in this, these are harsh facts.

The secret service can hide a lot from me, obviously. But sources accusing them from abroad have compromised themselves with lies more than once and are not trustworthy.

The same applies to Abkhazia and Ossetia. I was in Abkhazia - a wonderful little country with friendly people - you won't find any military there now, except for the border with Georgia. I was in Crimea, of course, just a year ago. There are Russian troops there, they have been there partially always. No one hides it. Our military went there and didn't let the war start. But for some reason they do not kill or shoot anyone.

In Crimea, there are people who have become more difficult now, no one hides it and it's realy bad: some families were torn apart, some business ties were unlinked. But no one there will tell you that they regret what happened - they have peace and do not kill anyone. I can invite you: come to Crimea and talk to the residents. Or, as I wrote earlier, find them in social networks and ask. There are many people in Russia who can speak English.

It may be funny to you, but war is not a joke, it is a great grief for people. Let there be crazy governments in their rhetoric, let there be any economic difficulties and so on, but there will be no war.

How old are you? Did your ancestors survive the bombing of England in 1941-1945? Can't you imagine how terrible war is?

CJay:

--- Quote from: wraper on November 26, 2020, 06:29:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: CJay on November 26, 2020, 06:05:33 pm ---Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

--- End quote ---
I know it's radioactive and leaves it's traces all around. That's why I said it's easy to discover. The worst thing to kill stealthily.

--- Quote ---hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact
--- End quote ---
There are thousands of times cheaper and more effective poisons, which leave way less traces. Say amanita phalloides (death cap) or it's relatives which are available to anyone for free. If you make an extract from it, you will need only a very tiny amount to kill with certainty. And as it has delayed symptoms, by the time you fell something, given enough dosage, you are already dead.

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Polonium kills with alpha emission, it's easily absorbed into the body and pretty much impossible to eradicate, it's a slow, painful, hideous death.

Nerve agents are similarly slow and horrendous ways to die, their lethality depends on many factors including dosage and how you were exposed and absorbed them.

If you just wanted someone dead then there are far simpler, more effective and less suspicious ways to kill, agreed.

If you wanted to send a message though...

wraper:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on November 26, 2020, 06:42:10 pm ---You're making the fundamental mistake thinking that the intention was NOT to be discovered to have killed a dissident living overseas. If you want to kill someone unattributably and quietly they get stabbed in a "mugging gone wrong" something that unfortunately can happen to anyone in any major city in the world. Poisoning someone, with anything, is a sure way to be discovered. To do it with something only easily available to a nation state, a highly restricted radioisotope, was the whole point.

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You are making fundamental mistake by assuming intentions of Russians was to shoot their own foot. Otherwise the reasonable assumption is that it was a setup.

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