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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2020, 06:50:29 pm »
Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

Ask about the death of the North Korean leader's brother... This moment is on the video and he walks on the Internet.
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« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2020, 07:00:31 pm »
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2020, 07:08:06 pm »
Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

Ask about the death of the North Korean leader's brother... This moment is on the video and he walks on the Internet.
Are you saying Russia had something to do with that or or just throwing a straw man into the argument?

It's absolutely no surprise that other nations have access to poisons or nerve agents.

 

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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2020, 07:10:31 pm »
You are making fundamental mistake by assuming intentions of Russians was to shoot their own foot. Otherwise the reasonable assumption is that it was a setup.

Have you ever watched the news on the BBC, let alone DW? There are serious profi working. If I watch for a couple of weeks, I'll go to Red Square and shout "Russia don't kill the World".  :)

I will not go to Wikipedia to find out how many wines were attacked to Russia, but simply say that Russia participated in 38 wars.

Frankly, we are already used to it. Let them accuse, let them live as they want with their fears.
Let it be a single fear and concern, and everything else will be fine. I agree to be a scarecrow so that people don't have other worries, so that I'm the only problem.  :)
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2020, 07:11:33 pm »
Are you saying Russia had something to do with that or or just throwing a straw man into the argument?

It's absolutely no surprise that other nations have access to poisons or nerve agents.
It's about Hollywood style assignation with VX nerve agent sprayed on his face.
 

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« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2020, 07:15:32 pm »
Are you saying Russia had something to do with that or or just throwing a straw man into the argument?

It's absolutely no surprise that other nations have access to poisons or nerve agents.
It's about Hollywood style assignation with VX nerve agent sprayed on his face.

Excellent, so do we agree, ingestion and dosage of nerve agents increases their lethality?

How much time elapsed between the attack and his death?
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2020, 07:19:29 pm »

Yugoslavia 1944
Albania 1944


WTF ? Check your facts...

Again could you all please stop with this nonsense..
Everybody is just bulshiting their own propaganda.
Half of stuff said is wrong.
Stop with the politics. Please.
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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2020, 07:19:50 pm »
Excellent, so we agree, ingestion and dosage of nerve agents increases their lethality.

How much time elapsed between the attack and his death?
Dunno exact time but he died in a way to hospital. So most likely less than an hour.
 

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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2020, 07:23:02 pm »
Do you think the USSR was responsible for the war in 1941-1945, for example? And what is most surprising is that you consider the source in which the Russian war indicated the terrorist act of 1999, when сhechen terrorists seized the hospital and maternity hospital, to be irrefutably correct.
Estonia 1917
Latvia 1918
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Georgia 1920
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You might call them terrorists, but they are probably considered freedom fighters by the locals.
And don't come back with a list of occupations from other countries, I don't care. They weren't occupying my country for 50 years, the russians were.

Because I don't accept Russian propaganda.
Yes, you are.

Yes, I know some people like Hitler's occupation better...

But there was no Russian army in the Netherlands. Perhaps you are confusing the Russian army with the English one? It seemed to be the British sector. Or are you from a country that was in a social camp? I had a girlfriend from Czechoslovakia, we spoke English, although she understood Russian perfectly when it was necessary, she studied in Moscow. She called me an occupier and didn't want to speak my language, but she hugged me tenderly.  ;D ;D ;D It was fun. This was my first practice of speaking to a person in English.  :)
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2020, 07:26:15 pm »
But there was no Russian army in the Netherlands.
I wasn't born here.
And this is not an invitation, before you think it is.
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2020, 07:28:05 pm »
Excellent, so we agree, ingestion and dosage of nerve agents increases their lethality.

How much time elapsed between the attack and his death?
Dunno exact time but he died in a way to hospital. So most likely less than an hour.

He lost consciousness in the video a few minutes later, quickly enough. For a while longer, he remains in the room barely alive in partial consciousness. But the poison took effect almost immediately. This is reality, it is on the video.

However, there are people who will say that this is a staged shooting at the "Mosfilm" studio...
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2020, 07:35:54 pm »
But there was no Russian army in the Netherlands.
I wasn't born here.
And this is not an invitation, before you think it is.

Do you consider me personally an occupier or a threat?

You don't need to invite me, my daughter travels a lot, has been to the Netherlands several times, brought me beautiful cigars, they are very expensive here, in the Netherlands and Germany only 5 Euros.  :)
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2020, 07:42:07 pm »

Yugoslavia 1944
Albania 1944


WTF ? Check your facts...

Again could you all please stop with this nonsense..
Everybody is just bulshiting their own propaganda.
Half of stuff said is wrong.
Stop with the politics. Please.

Don't worry, let the guys have their say. They have the right to think as they want and even make mistakes, too.

I think they all come from social countries. I even understand their resentment - they did not have freedom of thought (and we too in USSR), their government was subordinate to Moscow. Now this is not the case, but they do not live in their own country...
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2020, 07:52:34 pm »
But there was no Russian army in the Netherlands.
I wasn't born here.
And this is not an invitation, before you think it is.

Do you consider me personally an occupier or a threat?

You don't need to invite me, my daughter travels a lot, has been to the Netherlands several times, brought me beautiful cigars, they are very expensive here, in the Netherlands and Germany only 5 Euros.  :)
You personally, no. But take a hint from the Germans. At least they are sorry for what their country did.
Anyway, this is way too political, and you dont seem to understand the problem. I'll leave this topic before I get myself banned.
 

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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2020, 08:07:51 pm »
But there was no Russian army in the Netherlands.
I wasn't born here.
And this is not an invitation, before you think it is.

Do you consider me personally an occupier or a threat?

You don't need to invite me, my daughter travels a lot, has been to the Netherlands several times, brought me beautiful cigars, they are very expensive here, in the Netherlands and Germany only 5 Euros.  :)
You personally, no. But take a hint from the Germans. At least they are sorry for what their country did.
Anyway, this is way too political, and you dont seem to understand the problem. I'll leave this topic before I get myself banned.

Yes, from germans about my age, I noticed regret and some guilt. But they are not to blame, no one in Russia you will not find hatred for modern germans or any claims. Moreover, Germany is considered a friendly country. There are differences, but we live peacefully and cooperate a lot. We even feel somewhat sorry for those germans who were fooled by the scoundrel Hitler. We understand this tragedy.

By the way, say Hello to the Holland and say that Russia remembers how Holland gave Russia the science of building ships, we love hollsnd flowers and adore Gus Hidding - he somehow improved our infamous football. In Russia, his name was Gus Ivanovich.  :)

P.S.  I think the moderator here will not immediately ban... It will warn you that it's time to stop.  :)
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2020, 08:16:34 pm »
Frankly you're an idiot if you think polonium kills with toxicity and doubly so if you believe the hollywood version of nerve agents that kill instantly on contact.

Ask about the death of the North Korean leader's brother... This moment is on the video and he walks on the Internet.
Are you saying Russia had something to do with that or or just throwing a straw man into the argument?

It's absolutely no surprise that other nations have access to poisons or nerve agents.

I want to say that the World is more complex than clear conclusions and simple solutions. Russia is a huge country, we definitely have a lot of fools and bad people, just like in other countries. Modern Russia is not much different from other countries.

Sometimes I think that politicians of all countries conspire to frighten the population and give each other a reason to do that they are valued as fighters against threats...

Ukrainian proverb says: the boyars argue, but the serfs hats fly (I don't know if it will be clear in another culture).  :)
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2020, 08:50:18 pm »

Do you think the USSR was responsible for the war in 1941-1945, for example? And what is most surprising is that you consider the source in which the Russian war indicated the terrorist act of 1999, when сhechen terrorists seized the hospital and maternity hospital, to be irrefutably correct.
The war of 1941-45, so called “Great Patriotic War”, is an episode of the Second Word War. The reason why it was called so in Soviet Russia, was to conceal inconvenient truth about Russia’s role in WWII between September 1939 and June 1941. And the truth is: Russia together with Germany conspired the war, entered into pact with Germany (so called Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact), aiming to conquer and divide Europe (secret protocol to the Pact), together with Germany executed the military plans, invading Poland, capturing Baltic states, parts of Romania and attacking Finland, while suppling food and natural resources to its German allies while they were capturing the rest of continental Europe and bombing Britain. Too bad, the honeymoon between Stalin and Hitler did not last long. So yes, the WWII was started by Germany and Russia.

The Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis that you are referring to happened in 1995, not in 1999. It  was the episode of the 1st Chechen War (1994-96).

It was the 2nd Chechen War that broke out in 1999. The war conveniently coincided with transition of power from unpopular president Yeltsin to his chosen successor Mr. Putin, who at the time was Prime Minister before serving as the head of KGB (the organization changed its name few times, but in essence it remains to be KGB, so I use its well known alias here). The causa belli for the 2nd war were apartment block bombings thousands miles away from Chechnya. Nobody claimed responsibility for the bombings. In one of the incidents, the bombers were arrested by local police while planting explosives in the basement of a building. The arrested turned out to be KGB officers, who were promptly released before disappearing. The war ended few years later, with many thousands killed, and Chechen capital carpet-bombed, while Mr. Putin is serving his 21st year as the president... So yes, 2nd Chechen War was started by Russia, and formal causa belli for that war was crafted by KGB.
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2020, 09:22:41 pm »

Do you think the USSR was responsible for the war in 1941-1945, for example? And what is most surprising is that you consider the source in which the Russian war indicated the terrorist act of 1999, when сhechen terrorists seized the hospital and maternity hospital, to be irrefutably correct.
The war of 1941-45, so called “Great Patriotic War”, is an episode of the Second Word War. The reason why it was called so in Soviet Russia, was to conceal inconvenient truth about Russia’s role in WWII between September 1939 and June 1941. And the truth is: Russia together with Germany conspired the war, entered into pact with Germany (so called Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact), aiming to conquer and divide Europe (secret protocol to the Pact), together with Germany executed the military plans, invading Poland, capturing Baltic states, parts of Romania and attacking Finland, while suppling food and natural resources to its German allies while they were capturing the rest of continental Europe and bombing Britain. Too bad, the honeymoon between Stalin and Hitler did not last long. So yes, the WWII was started by Germany and Russia.

The Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis that you are referring to happened in 1995, not in 1999. It  was the episode of the 1st Chechen War (1994-96).

It was the 2nd Chechen War that broke out in 1999. The war conveniently coincided with transition of power from unpopular president Yeltsin to his chosen successor Mr. Putin, who at the time was Prime Minister before serving as the head of KGB (the organization changed its name few times, but in essence it remains to be KGB, so I use its well known alias here). The causa belli for the 2nd war were bombings of apartment block thousands miles away from Chechnya. Nobody claimed responsibility for the bombings. In one of the incidents, the bombers were arrested by local police while planting explosives in the basement of a building. The arrested turned out to be KGB officers, who were promptly released before disappearing. The war ended few years later, with many thousands killed, and Chechen capital carpet-bombed, while Mr. Putin is serving his 21st year as the president... So yes, 2nd Chechen War was started by Russia, and formal causa belli for that war was crafted by KGB.

Tell me, please, do you believe that the world trade center was blown up by the USA special services? Some Americans talk about it...

The seizure of a hospital, the seizure of a school, the seizure of a theater, the explosion of a train station-are these also KGB agents? Did you know that KGB agents planted explosives in one of the universities and videotaped it to see how the students would react? And then published...

Go to Chechnya and ask how the events took place. I don't have the energy to argue with the "new americans". You have left your country, settled your life - why should you lie and write nonsense? :)

The criminal power of Yeltsin, who destroyed the country, shot the Parliament from a tank and made a bloody mess in Chechnya-this is our trouble. But Yeltsin was good and loved in Europe and the United States. Don't you think this is strange?
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2020, 10:04:34 pm »
Tell me, please, do you believe that the world trade center was blown up by the USA special services? Some Americans talk about it...

The seizure of a hospital, the seizure of a school, the seizure of a theater, the explosion of a train station-are these also KGB agents? Did you know that KGB agents planted explosives in one of the universities and videotaped it to see how the students would react? And then published...

Go to Chechnya and ask how the events took place. I don't have the energy to argue with the "new americans". You have left your country, settled your life - why should you lie and write nonsense? :)

The criminal power of Yeltsin, who destroyed the country, shot the Parliament from a tank and made a bloody mess in Chechnya-this is our trouble. But Yeltsin was good and loved in Europe and the United States. Don't you think this is strange?
No, no, no. Putin is the most loved modern Russian president. Loved in Europe and the US. German chancellor Schroeder loved Putin so much, that he went to work for Putin after retiring from Bundestag (some say that he worked for Putin even before that). G.W. Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his beautiful soul. While Yeltsin was a strange drunk president. Nobody liked him.

PS. You are very sloppy with timing of the events. The hospital crisis happened AFTER the 1st war broken out. The Dubrovka theater gassing by KGB and Russian tanks firing live round at school in Beslan happened AFTER the 2nd war started. Same applies to your analysis of the downfall of USSR. Yeltsin came to power after Soviet Empire started disintegrating.

PPS. So what we have is a country with stockpiles of warheads and barrels of Novichok from good old Soviet days, and criminals in power. Very “peaceful” country. Only 56 wars in the recent century.
 

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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2020, 10:20:03 pm »
Tell me, please, do you believe that the world trade center was blown up by the USA special services? Some Americans talk about it...

The seizure of a hospital, the seizure of a school, the seizure of a theater, the explosion of a train station-are these also KGB agents? Did you know that KGB agents planted explosives in one of the universities and videotaped it to see how the students would react? And then published...

Go to Chechnya and ask how the events took place. I don't have the energy to argue with the "new americans". You have left your country, settled your life - why should you lie and write nonsense? :)

The criminal power of Yeltsin, who destroyed the country, shot the Parliament from a tank and made a bloody mess in Chechnya-this is our trouble. But Yeltsin was good and loved in Europe and the United States. Don't you think this is strange?
No, no, no. Putin is the most loved modern Russian president. Loved in Europe and the US. German chancellor Schroeder loved Putin so much, that he went to work for Putin after retiring from Bundestag (some say that he worked for Putin even before that). G.W. Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his beautiful soul. While Yeltsin was a strange drunk president. Nobody liked him.

PS. You are very sloppy with timing of the events. The hospital crisis happened AFTER the 1st war broken out. The Dubrovka theater gassing by KGB and Russian tanks firing live round at school in Beslan happened AFTER the 2nd war started. Same applies to your analysis of the downfall of USSR. Yeltsin came to power after Soviet Empire started disintegrating.

PPS. So what we have is a country with stockpiles of warheads and barrels of Novichok from good old Soviet days, and criminals in power. Very “peaceful” country. Only 56 wars in the recent century.

What to do here already... Well, dig a bunker, stockpile the products... I can't do anything to help you.

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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2020, 10:24:57 pm »
Dont get political, folks, it is an invite to lock the thread.
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2020, 11:28:03 am »
Even if you had access to the full size simulator, without some serious training in how to warm up the beast, you would not get far in the actual control room.
Warming up too fast,  will cause many reactors to level off from poisoning that can take days to recover from.  Other issues  like Wigner effect in the graphite of an RBMK could cause surprises. There are things like  mechanical limits on how many rods you can pull at once, by design.

If you read the translation of one of the more candid  Russian reports on Chernobyl, much of what would be known physics  to a US operator was considered classified need to know  by the Russians at the time, partially  leading to the disaster.  I do not have time to download the sim, but does it require you to pre-warm the coolant by running the pumps before startup?  Do you have to insert a start-up source? Do you have to pull  the low level reactivity monitor out of the core before throttling up?   Not knowing little things like that can halt the sequence easily enough.   


Pulling the hot reactor fuel without a storage  cask or years of cool down in the fuel pool would have you dead in an hour or two, if not in 15 minutes.
You would not live long enough to fab even a dirty bomb working close up  with even a few grams of  hot spent fuel.  There is a reason they have it cool down before transporting to a hot cell.

Pu production is highly specialized, enough that it is very easy to spot on a IAEA inspection. 

Having the training software out there is good for education and understanding. No matter what side of the debate your on, having some experience at running a sim could make you more aware of the care, expense, and  planning that is required to commission,  run, or decommission a reactor.  As my state (Ohio)  is tied up with the House Bill Six reactor bailout  fiasco right now, I can't see how having a bit of education on the issue is a bad thing.

This video  makes it look easy, but note the Cherenkov glow.  That fuel is really, really radioactive, requiring the facilities of a nation-state  to handle.   You think the cranes you'd need to move the fuel  would not be a give away?  Reactor crime would not be a one person effort either.  You think the RO has access to the  the keys to open the  containment, and the fuel pool gates and channels?

https://youtu.be/DogPLc0IzQM

Non-issue.

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Here are instructions for turning it on. I still dont understand it fully. Not easy like the student operated reactor at MIT in cambridge Mass.

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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2020, 12:20:16 pm »
Does anyone here think they could simulate the test that caused the meltdown and record it on youtube?

Other then these videos I dont know where you would get the owners manual.
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« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2020, 04:15:29 pm »


I'm sure there's not an idiot in the World who decides to start a nuclear war because any idiot knows the answer will be devastating.

Actually there is he has orange hair and skin but luckily he takes his orders from putin.

And BTW our president is accompanied by a brief case called the nuclear football at all times if he needs to press the button. Rex tillerson and some other guy trump fired said they would personally tackle and remove it from him if he ever tried to use it. Pretty bad when Rex tillerson is the good guy.
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Re: RBMK nuclear reactor simulator down load
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2020, 04:31:30 pm »
I hear the polonium and novichok flavours are only available for export.
Frankly you're a gullible simpleton if you believe in Russians using polonium to kill somebody. It's literally a crappy poison, which is easy to discover, very hard to produce and is extremely expensive. As if they are so dumb to actually use it as poison.
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Yeah, super poison which was not able to kill anyone  :palm:.


What about the Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium 210 in a UK hotel that made the place super radio active for months while they tried to clean it up. They put it in his tea and all his hair fell out before he died. They used it to show the world who did it because only a few people in this world have access to nuclear material.

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