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Really cheap Electric cars.
« on: August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pm »
Hi,
We understand that in future, Chinese EV’s will be 4x cheaper than any western ones. As such, we wish to set up a Power Electronics company, so that we will be able to use it to act as our “right of passage” to sell into this market. Ie, we will “middle man” the EV’s in to UK and Europe etc. This “token” company, will look to everyone as if it is a genuine power electronics company…but it will really be just simply our “vehicle”  with which to meet customers for the EV market. It will make people think we know about Power electronics…when in fact, we probably wont, we will just be middle men pretenders.
Nobody can criticise us in this….for virtually all western electronics companies are really such “token” companys…pretending to be genuine western  designer/manufacturers, when in fact, the main income is from the “backroom” middle manning of Chinese electronics into UK (or whichever western country) . Its legal. And if you don’t do it, somebody else will !...so you MUST do it…in order to stay in business.
So anyway, we first wish to get some government  funding for starting up this company. Do you know of any country where we can get this funding?......we can do some pretend projects, and employ some people with qualifications, to make us look genuine.
Do you know of any good projects which we can get going to get some government funding in? Would you like to join us?
In past ventures, We have previously encountered abuse from people (loosers) wanting to set up genuine western electronics companys, who we will put out of business by us. But we will not be deterred.
We did a good show like this in the audio  market...made a packet...but then we suffered abuse at a trade show from a place claiming we were ultimately assisting the manufacturing industry that was ultimately supplying  small arms (eg  drones and drone jammers, military radios etc) to the Russians in Ukraine. How do you get past these dim-wits?

« Last Edit: August 08, 2023, 05:55:09 am by Faringdon »
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2023, 06:18:07 pm »
ffs, will you never stop with your nonsense?
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2023, 06:24:23 pm »
ffs, will you never stop with your nonsense?


   LOL!   :-+  Before I read your reply I was ready to reply that F's post sounded like some kind of a sales pitch!

   OP, go right ahead. Let us know how that works out for you a few years down the road.
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2023, 06:26:45 pm »
FFS. Get some meds or something.

Do you really think anyone will want to join you for anything looking at your post history?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2023, 06:34:11 pm by ataradov »
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2023, 06:50:15 pm »
Hi,
We understand that in future, Chinese EV’s will be 4x cheaper than any western ones.

If that means I can get an EV of equivalent specs as my Tesla S for twenty friggin' grand, sign me up lover boy!

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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2023, 06:58:17 pm »
Chinese made EVs are not 4x cheaper than Western equivalents.  The MG4 EV is about £25,000 new, for a specification roughly equivalent to the ID.3 at about £30,000 new.  The Polestar 2 is fully made in China and it's over £35,000 new.  The Ora Cat is £30,000 new. 

The issue isn't one of whether you can set up a middleman agency, but whether you can get your vehicle type approved, ship it over, handle sales, park it at a dealership and then service and repair them when things (inevitably, despite your best attempts) go wrong.  Oh, and you've got to make sure the quality from the factory in China is consistent, and that the products continue to meet standards, or you'll have expensive recalls to deal with.

But I suspect you've had one little silly thought in your mind and are now convinced if you can just get the cash to buy some Chinese electric cars you can make it work. 
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2023, 09:29:53 pm »
If you haven’t done it yet, what prevented someone else with more capital than you to do it?
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2023, 11:57:53 pm »
Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.

On a more general level, given the trend with EVs, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a ton of opportunities for power electronics development, in and clearly outside of China.
And given regulations for automotive equipment, it should actually be much easier to "compete" with chinese solutions that with lighting, almost no doubt about that.
You just gotta be good though.
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2023, 02:47:28 am »
Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.

https://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2023, 08:14:50 am »
Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.

https://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140

That video is blocked in the UK.

Another reason to get a VPN?
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2023, 11:18:40 am »
I'd say the "electronics design" is more or less an issue of labour costs - and not of preferring a certain country. As long as the education is "good enough", any country will do.
There are plenty of well educated people in Asia, esp. China, so there is no reason not to do your development and manufacturing there.
Annoying for people in high-labour-cost countries, I agree. But you know what? Same thing happens to chinese employees right now, as manufacturing moves to even cheaper countries.

As for chinese EVs: To meet US/EU-standards, the prices need to raise by a lot. It's simply impossible to have a road legal car as cheap as in China. Their main advantage is low labour costs, state funding, very restrictive working laws and a large, quite restricted, market to grow before expanding to the outside world.
However besides some flagship efforts, I can't see them overrunning the US/EU-market anytime soon. They are not that much different from the japanese car makers "back then", which were able to grab some nice market share, but only by investing heavily into the target markets and eventually be just another local car maker (just with another badge).
 

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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2023, 01:29:12 pm »
I was thinking the other day that things had gone a suspiciously quiet. That's usually a sign that Treez is working up to a troll thread!

These 'We are planning' threads also seem to tie up with empty periods in your linkedin profile An Treez. Considering the number you have been briefly 'associated' with, it's hard to credit your recurring assertions about UK engineering companies being "token". It's just more of the same UK/China crap that you parrot out time and time again. As usual you haven't done even the most basic research before making your assertions ("4x cheaper" in this case).

There is no way you will ever look genuine, you lack the credibility to get past even the most cursory government funding checks (lax though they are) to pull off such a con. I don't see you getting further than an agency job on an EV production line.

BTW, You really ought to credit eevblog forum members for the long lists of stuff you claim to have fixed!


When is enough, enough?  ::)
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2023, 03:48:08 pm »
What IS the difference between a Fairy Tale and a Treez/Faringdon post??  :-//

A Fairy Tale usually starts with “Once upon a time”; has a whimsical story line and usually ends with “They lived happily ever-after”  :-+

A Treez/Faringdon post usually starts with “Don’t you agree?” or “We are planning”; followed by wild assumptions but there is never an ending (unfortunately).  |O
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2023, 03:50:00 pm »
Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.

https://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140

That video is blocked in the UK.

Another reason to get a VPN?

Download a copy of the Opera browser, it has an inbuilt VPN for the browser window.  I use it for testing websites where I need to be seen to be arriving from "outside", you can pick the EU, Americas, or Asia.  Works well enough for what I need it for without resorting to a full VPN client/service.
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2023, 03:55:51 pm »
As the "middle man" acting as the importer in the EU/UK, you will be legally liable for standards compliance etc.  Your name (and/or company name) will be all over the paperwork.  I hope you can get suitable insurance...

Throwing in the OEM has to accept you as their representative, which should be a fun ride.  Naturally, if you want to re-brand them under your own moniker, you're now liable for everything that can happen to them during the warranty period.  Holding spares, writing the maintenance manuals, dealing with the type approval organisations.

Drop back when you're all up and running with a link to the website for the vehicles or, better yet, the showroom where they can be viewed and/or test driven.
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2023, 04:04:25 pm »
As such, we wish to set up a Power Electronics company [...]

Right. You wish.
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2023, 07:07:45 am »
Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.

https://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140

That video is blocked in the UK.

Another reason to get a VPN?

Download a copy of the Opera browser, it has an inbuilt VPN for the browser window.  I use it for testing websites where I need to be seen to be arriving from "outside", you can pick the EU, Americas, or Asia.  Works well enough for what I need it for without resorting to a full VPN client/service.

Yeah! Thanks for the suggestion! :-+
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2023, 07:31:59 am »
To be honest that starter post sounds more like " 'kay guys, I want to commit fraud by scamming gov's out of subsidies, sell non-certified crap from asia that lights itself on fire and electrocutes people, and be a horrible capitalistic person. Please tell who can fund me"

 :horse:

Also don't be surprised if import tariffs are going to shoot up in the coming years.
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2023, 08:17:57 am »
BTW, You really ought to credit eevblog forum members for the long lists of stuff you claim to have fixed!

When is enough, enough?  ::)
While they keep getting their work done for them, they will keep coming back. :-//
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2023, 08:23:00 am »
Dave already nailed it  :-+

 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2023, 08:33:24 am »
https://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140

That video is blocked in the UK.

Another reason to get a VPN?

Download a copy of the Opera browser, it has an inbuilt VPN for the browser window.  I use it for testing websites where I need to be seen to be arriving from "outside", you can pick the EU, Americas, or Asia.  Works well enough for what I need it for without resorting to a full VPN client/service.

Maybe I should.  I signed up for a streaming site saying I was in the US.  Turns out they don't actually cover the US, only the 50 states.  So when I returned home it didn't work in Puerto Rico.  I could use a VPN and look like I'm in the 50 states, when it should work no matter where I am.  Silly streaming people!
Rick C.  --  Puerto Rico is not a country... It's part of the USA
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2023, 08:34:32 am »

Yeah! Thanks for the suggestion! :-+

get's the job done most of the time

https://www.epicbrowser.com/
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2023, 12:35:21 pm »
Do you know of any country where we can get this funding?......we can do some pretend projects, and employ some people with qualifications, to make us look genuine.
Do you know of any good projects which we can get going to get some government funding in?

Sure! Here is a hint on the country and the type of good projects: Chinese home bot passed off as combat robodog at Russia's Army 2022 Expo.


Would you like to join us?

Dear Beneficiary,
 
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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2023, 02:22:17 pm »
In France or USA these plastic EV will be squashed like bug in any accident.

Very dangerous.

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Re: Really cheap Electric cars.
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2023, 04:46:19 pm »
In France or USA these plastic EV will be squashed like bug in any accident.

no, because they won't be allowed on the road ...
 
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