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Really RS Components, I am not allowed to order solder anymore??
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james_s:

--- Quote from: zl2wrw on February 14, 2021, 12:27:39 am ---Quite recently our great illustrious leaders here in NZ banned steel shotgun pellets (and pretty much all other steel ammunition), but after a small farce, they had to go back and change the rules so that steel shotgun pellets were specifically exempted from the ban  |O

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I can understand banning lead, at least in certain instances, or perhaps they could compromise and make reduced lead ammo made of some kind of alloy, but steel? What was their reasoning for banning steel pellets? Iron decomposes in the natural environment and as far as I know it's quite harmless.

I would go so far as to say a majority of our lawmakers are not very knowledgeable about the things they legislate, and the laws tend to be rushed through on emotion after some incident without sufficient time being taken to consider unintended consequences. The result is a great many laws that do not accomplish their intended goal, and in many cases make the problem worse or create other worse problems. I'd be kind of surprised if the situation was much better in other countries, I tend to think politicians are pretty similar no matter where you go.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: james_s on February 14, 2021, 12:41:37 am ---
--- Quote from: zl2wrw on February 14, 2021, 12:27:39 am ---Quite recently our great illustrious leaders here in NZ banned steel shotgun pellets (and pretty much all other steel ammunition), but after a small farce, they had to go back and change the rules so that steel shotgun pellets were specifically exempted from the ban  |O

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I can understand banning lead, at least in certain instances, or perhaps they could compromise and make reduced lead ammo made of some kind of alloy, but steel? What was their reasoning for banning steel pellets? Iron decomposes in the natural environment and as far as I know it's quite harmless.

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ARMOUR PIERCING!!!!!!!!1111
Ed.Kloonk:
How would one manufacture resin core solder, anyway?
magic:

--- Quote from: tooki on February 12, 2021, 03:57:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: magic on February 12, 2021, 08:55:09 am ---If I started a poll, most users of this forum would likely be in favor of banning sales of teratogens to consumers.

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I very much doubt that. I think this forum leans quite heavily on the side of personal responsibility and away from heavy regulation.

What I think most people would agree with is banning dangerous ingredients in consumer products that people expect to be inherently safe, like toys, clothing, toiletries, food, etc.

So no lead allowed in toys, but lead solder allowed.

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Like with DHMO, it's just a matter of asking the right question such that lead isn't mentioned ;)

So forget lead. What about all the nasty mutagenic stuff which causes children to be born with no hands and five eyes all around their head. Do you really think such evil stuff should just be available on shelves for everyone to buy? What if pregnant women ingest it by accident? What if Ahmed adds it to municipal water supply? Wouldn't it be a good idea to just ensure that teratogens in general stay where they belong, in closely controlled labs?
You don't hate unborn children, do you? :-DD

Yes, every place on the Internet and IRL has a contingent of outspoken libertarians who immediately come to answer something about "responsibility" or "Darwin". Then the silent majority votes their own way.

And yes, sometimes you would be surprised what kind of nanny-staters you will find even of forums very similar to this one. And you never know how many of them are reading your posts, greeting their teeth quietly, and later go elsewhere to rant about responsibility being a codeword of colonialism, toxic masculinity or other bullshit.

Yeah, I guess I have lost faith in modern society entirely ;D
coppercone2:
I mean mass market anti lead seems good enough, trying to pinch off the engineering department makes little sense, those are not mass market prototypes. Lead solder just works better, leave it for the factory engineer to figure out how to make it work with lead free optimally and let engineers and repair people use lead since it basically amounts to nothing in the environment?

This is how it goes:

Prototype count : 50

Engineering check list :
-finalize design for ROHS compatability

Manufacturing count : 500 million.

Alright like the amount of stupid reflow ovens and stuff in development labs and the amount of overhead needed for 'good' lead free work will pollute the environment more then the small amount of lead used. Usually with lead there is no problems with lead free you practically need good tools unless you wanna deal with bogies related to solder bridges and other crap. There really are better things you can use the money allocated to policing engineering people with ROHS that would have a far better and more immediate environmental impact. I call it the 'get real' policy.  If you make everything in R&D the same as 'mass market' design you will get NO WHERE.

There is a guy for turning a mechanical design into cheap thin gauge oragami mechanically, this guy does and should continue to exist for electrical bonding. To me its like someone saying "oh yea we won't allow you 1/8 inch plate to make backbones anymore, you need to figure out how to make everything from 22 gauge steel in the lab". So then instead of a drill and a tap set (wow thats actually pretty high end!!) you roll out the presses, dies, sheet metal cutters and benders. Memo: tin smith training begins on tuesday.

I have seen people that were perfectly suited for doing a job with lead be driven to basic rage from having to deal with lead free solder. Less training = better. You can have a salary and equipment budget that way.
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