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Offline G0HZU

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2014, 04:26:15 pm »
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I am a Junior in a Test Engineering Department (6 people and a manager) focusing on Qualification and Test Equipment design for power supplies. I am a young, ambitious person who listens carefully to my elders and learns a lot from what I do. I prefer to jump into something I don't know and just get on with it.

My advice would be to exploit your current situation to the full. Ask for formal training for something like Labview and use this time to learn how to set up and improve ATE systems.

If your company won't offer this then learn it at home and apply it at your place of work to gain 'applied' experience with the hardware that exists at your place of work. If you can become proficient in Labview then you will be able to get a foot in the door of many decent companies and can then maybe move onto something better. eg you could apply your Labview skills within a R&D company and gradually move across to be doing the actual R&D yourself in the future :)

The other option is to try and find a small startup company because the doors to better opportunities within the company are half open already. In this type of company the structure is far less well defined and you can shape your own destiny far easier :)
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2014, 07:10:14 pm »
Good idea. We have two ATE systems in the company at the mo, with a third new one with no engineer to work on it. That's what I will be asking about this week

One problem though, I just don't get labview. At all. It's a piece of shit! For some reason everyone I've ever worked with loves it.
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2014, 10:57:51 pm »
Changing companies to get a better position will work one or two times. It is not a bad idea if you get the opportunity. But it isn't a sustainable growth path. You'll need to be able to make jumps within your company at a certain point to grow further.

On the fact that you're the one to solve the difficult and odd issues (e.g.: test gig, PIC programming):
I do get carreer counceling. A message I got is that being the go-to person for odd issues is not as efficient as having a clear and achievable carreer goal. Your colleague shows that he can achieve goals beyond his skills by working together with others.

Asking for a job that pays more doesn't work in most cases. Showing that you're up for more responsability, and proving that on the job, works.
And that can land you in a better pay position.
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2014, 11:54:13 pm »
Good idea. We have two ATE systems in the company at the mo, with a third new one with no engineer to work on it. That's what I will be asking about this week

One problem though, I just don't get labview. At all. It's a piece of shit! For some reason everyone I've ever worked with loves it.
You dont 'get' Labview? Its visual programming, thats all. If you dont understand Labview, you either havent taken the time to, or you have trouble understanding logic.
I used Labview in college, took a class on it. Its so much easier to use compared with having to create a program in c++ and having a single missing colon screw you up. With Labview, all you really need to understand is logic.
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2014, 12:29:25 am »

WRONG. The best way to climb the corporate latter is to marry the boss's daughter.

People are not paid for their brains. Some actors and models make a fortune - they don't need brains. Justin Bieber made $50 MILLION last year.  Sandra Bullock got $70 MILLION for doing a B-grade film called Gravity which was complete :-DD. Greed has a loud voice and there is inequality for all. Slick salesmen such as Bill Gates and exploiters of cheap labour such as Gou Tai-ming make far more cash than any talented engineer could ever make. In IBM many managers were useless as engineers. Yet they made a lot more money than the smarter engineers reporting to them. So if you go only for the money, leave engineering altogether and start a business or pursue another career.

I know it sounds like a total dickhead thing to say, but it always amuses me when people claim that there are tons of idiots out there making millions of $$$ and whine about it.  If they are idiots and making $70MM a year, what does that say about you? 

Sandra Bullock is apparently worth it to the casting director and the producers who are funding the movie.  She draws people to the theater. 

Bill Gates didn't force anyone into anything - people willingly give him their money every day.  If he's just a slick salesman, then go out and beat him with a better mousetrap and become the next billionaire. 

Don't tell me it's impossible.  Nobody would have thought Apple would zoom past Microsoft to become the biggest tech company by far by beating Microsoft at their own game.  Facebook came along and beat the established name (MySpace).  WhatsApp came along and beat Skype.  Whatsapp was founded just a few years ago and sold for $19 billion.  NEST was sold for over $3 billion, and it's just a Wifi enabled thermostat.

If all these people getting rich are idiots, then it ought to be easy for you to do it too.

It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2014, 12:33:14 am »
Good idea. We have two ATE systems in the company at the mo, with a third new one with no engineer to work on it. That's what I will be asking about this week

One problem though, I just don't get labview. At all. It's a piece of shit! For some reason everyone I've ever worked with loves it.

If you do want to try the training route then try and get your company to pay for and send you on an official course.
Hopefully you will get a certificate at the end of it (to put on your CV!) even if it's a fairly short course.

There's some details about UK Labview courses and timetables in the link below:

http://uk.ni.com/training
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2014, 04:22:06 am »
Bill Gates didn't force anyone into anything - people willingly give him their money every day.

Oh, he actually did. See, for example the Comes vs. Microsoft litigation.

Or the Halloween papers. Or just ask IBM about OS/2. Not to forgot being the shady figure behind SCO's litigation. Oh, and did I mention the antitrust litigation? Or the repeated fining of Microsoft by the EU for abuse of its market position? What about Sun vs Microsoft?
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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2014, 05:06:37 am »
Hi..

Some Background. I have been in my job in a medium-sized factory (~150 employees) for about a year and a half now. Before that I was doing the same kind of thing, mainly software and test equipment for microprocessor devices.

I am a Junior in a Test Engineering Department (6 people and a manager) focusing on Qualification and Test Equipment design for power supplies. I am a young, ambitious person who listens carefully to my elders and learns a lot from what I do. I prefer to jump into something I don't know and just get on with it.

Another Junior (A couple of years older than me) who's dad is the boss of another department (hmmm...) who doesn't know as much as me, still asks basic questions like what gauge cable to use for a certain current, how to use a mosfet to switch a relay on, why do we need back-EMF diodes etc, is paid more than me. He is on his phone a lot and doesn't put a lot of effort in.

He has been developing a product with a PIC in, when I am drilling holes in plastic and metals, and not being used to my full potential.... He asks me for help with his PIC code constantly (which is only switching FETs on and off depending on a certain input) and this is his first big PIC project when I have done a lot of smaller PIC projects (more complicated ones in my spare time and at my previous job) without any help... Somehow he's more senior than me, even though I don't know a lot about electronics, I have the enthusiasm to want to learn more, whereas after a College course, he doesnt know why we need bypassing/filter capacitors on ICs...

I recently had an appraisal, and I was told I'm doing well just keep doing as I'm doing. I have asked what I can to for a better pay (Currently £15,000, about that of a window cleaner in the UK).

Every time one of the production test jigs goes tits up, I'm the first call of the boss to look at it and fix it, which is a good thing...

Enough ranting. How do you deal with a shitty job? I keep telling myself to grin and bare it every day, and that soon another project will come that's a lot better. There are no jobs in Electronics in my area, and I look every day.

Sorry if this doesn't make too much sense and is all over the place. That's how my life feels at the moment.

Leave!!
Reading your posting gave a horrible feeling of "deja vu"!

Although I am at the other end of the working age group to you,I experienced a very similar workplace environment.
My time with my two major employers was 24 & 10 years respectively.

I walked straight into the second one without a break,but eventually Management sent the "hatchet man" through the staff,& I ended up with a "Voluntary"(hah!)Redundancy.
I picked up a few jobs over the next few years,some good,some bad,mostly OK.

In the job that reminds me of yours,there was no recognition of the Technical ability of anyone but the "In"group,who were mainly pretty much lacking in that regard.
Although I was employed as a Technician,I was regarded as,& used as, a non-technical "Assembler".

I kept finding places where the "accepted way of doing things" did not in any way conform with industrial practice,with large amounts of additional work being required to deliver an inferior result.

Suggestions were not welcome,with the "in" group thinking it was a challenge to their status.
After a while,I got used to them thinking I was an idiot,& started to think,"Maybe I really am a silly old Sod!".

I eventually quit,& it was like taking a yoke from my shoulders-----should have done it the first week! ;D

In my next job I had to use my brain again,& although it was hard,I was effectively my own Boss.
It was great (& necessary) therapy after the previous one.
 

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Re: Job Woes....
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2014, 10:41:17 am »
Bill Gates didn't force anyone into anything - people willingly give him their money every day.

Oh, he actually did. See, for example the Comes vs. Microsoft litigation.

Or the Halloween papers. Or just ask IBM about OS/2. Not to forgot being the shady figure behind SCO's litigation. Oh, and did I mention the antitrust litigation? Or the repeated fining of Microsoft by the EU for abuse of its market position? What about Sun vs Microsoft?

The crazy thing there was a time when an IBMer could be sacked for using Windows at work. Everyone was forced to use OS/2 by the religious zealots in IBM. Written by Microsoft, OS/2 was full of bugs, like the BSOD. In some ways, IBM was like a religious cult.

 


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