even if in Islam regulation, penalty for a convert is death
Guess why ... people converting away from religion is bad so you have to scare them.
your imagination tells you? can you prove it mathematically? i have reason, but i'd rather not to discuss it here, there will be pointless.
Up until now I was hoping this thread could have a meaningful discussion, but both Mechatrommer and Kiriakos are claiming everything that supports their idea as a miracle, and everything that doesn't is ignored.
as whats normally happening nowadays, the convict is convicted for some crime, where infact the convicter is actually the original criminal tried to conseal everything and deviates people eyes from the real truth. i'm not saying you ndictu is a criminal, i'm just giving example of the "moral lifestyle of today", you probably the effect of it (originally from the 1st cause) I'm not the one who started discussion about God (see reply #31 by Alex) which you defended so badly and applaused it as "contentfull". But when thing goes against your so called "Contentfull Godless Ideology" which you tried to implicitly deny it as an "ideology" by saying it is us who tried to defend our "Contentless Ideology of God". You dont say aethism is a religion? well from my point of view you are wrong! "Aethism" IS a religion, they/you just want to deny/deviate it. In fact, books like "God Delusion" is written due to pissed off with christian religion and the writer want to make another side/group, a religious group, a religion without a God, a religion that believe human mind is the origin. (good example: buddhism?)
The fact is, i'm pityfull to the guy named George Carlin. He maybe had a bad experience in life, finacial collapse, disease etc. and then he lost track on faith, the what is "cause and effect", the consequences etc that He blame God for it, tried to act superior by saying which has the same semantic as "We Dont Need God to Live!". He pityfully forgot, how could it be logical that he expect he'll get all the good when he did something wrong. You got financial problem? its you dont work hard enough. You got disease? its you who dont practice safe/healthy way, or even forbid/deny God's Limit by doing free sex (unsafe way if you like), sodomy etc which been accepted as moral behaviour. You blame God who sent Aids into this world, NO! its not the God who sent it, its occured by "natural selection"! Aids has always been there, somewhere from eternity! or evolution whatever, NOT God! He asked how could God loves us when He send us to Hell, it is he... who lost the clue, that is sent to hell, because of what (sin) he did on earth! the same to other sinners that will become the fuel of hell, together with him, if he dont appeal to God and admitting what he did is wrong, before his own armageddon (death). He lost God's love, who gave him guide of what should or not be done for his own soul'ly and bodily benefit, that he dont have an ant of clue about the reason why God ask him to do this and that and claimed it as such a ridiculous (unexplained) thing! There is no hard math and science prove on Him (his video), but yet he got the applause from the so called "intelligent people"! Amazing!
Only one thing the most crappiest thing happening on earth in my view. is that you did Sin, you did wrong, but in the end, you go to the same path as other people who sacrifice themselves to the goodness. The most ridiculuos thing that people tried to deviate/conceal. As i gave the example of "boss and workers", you did good you get promoted, you did bad you got fired! (fire?) such a simple (cause and effect/consequence) analogy is incomprehensible to many pitiful souls. And of course! the one who get fired will blame the boss and say "O we dont need the fucking boss!". George Carlin expect he can do whatever he want and then go to heaven, luxurious in money, wealth etc! if not, he will WHINE and deny God! what a kind of dickhead!
If you hate science so much why do you use it every day? Go live the way people in bible times did.
and again, you've lost in time and space, the same to others. Any sane religious people will not deny science. Further we embraced science (and math) as the creation of God, its an instrument provided to human so we can improve our living, its the love of God. but again, there will be no point to discuss to such an arrogant people who claim it as their invention, refined toward perfection, L.O.L!
Yes, I've done my best to understand and learn from arab scholars as much as possible because I, myself, cannot read or understand arabic. I know that you cannot begin to understand the qur'an unless you know arabic. However, in my opinion, if Allah was all merciful he would've given us the qur'an with a universal language or the ability for anyone to understand. The biggest problem is the miracle lay in the language, not the book.
Arabic language is choosen for some reason. as you said (one proof given), arabic is the most stable language, minimally changed during centuries. You want to give excuse you dont know arabic? i dont blame for your effort. I dont know Arab, but i understand my holy book through translation effort from the past believers. Universal language? what is? and again what do you expect? we can communicate through thought? we were once one language (Adam language), it is us who got divided and create our own language (or religion?), you blame God for that? oh i forgot, you dont have anybody to blame to... there is No God!
I for one, was born with a health problem that I would rather not get into that will cut my life short, I don't see this as merciful. It has only brought pain to me, I don't see how a merciful God could make someone sick.
must be for some reason.one way or another.
and again... there's no personal feeling right? you with your opinion. me with mine, hope we can still friend
for the sake of science, math and technology