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Retracting my prior statements on "CTY", that CTY is gone
Rick Law:
In years past, when we have discussions about education in this forum, I have said a lot of good things about JHU-CTY (Johns Hopkins University Center for Talented Youth) on this forum years past. I have recommended CTY to fellow forum members here with young kids.
I am disowning those statements I made on this forum then for present day.
CTY today is not the same organization of which I made those very complimentary remarks,. Further more, it is no longer something I would recommend fellow forum members to look into for your kid.
When I made those recommendations, entrance requirement was high, but merit based. Anyone with good enough SAT score can get in and you are surrounded with other successful students and can mutually inspire each other. Present day, that is no longer the case.
By the way, I wonder what happens to CTY Internationally. They use to have their international award ceremony in Hong Kong -- I recalled from their awardee list (around 2013-2015 time frame) Hong Kongers were the majority of the international CTY kids receiving their performance awards. Now that they are easier score-wise (from what I can recall with scores), but are accepting only those "from traditionally underrepresented student group in higher education", that should pretty much take Hong Kong out of the running...
Another era gone by...
ebastler:
Hmm, where did you find out about these changes? The JHU website seems to describe merit-based testing only, e.g. here: https://cty.jhu.edu/talent/testing/.
Maybe there is a specific program for under-represented groups too, to complement the merit-based ones? I didn't see any during a quick check though.
Rick Law:
--- Quote from: ebastler on July 25, 2020, 09:32:09 am ---Hmm, where did you find out about these changes? The JHU website seems to describe merit-based testing only, e.g. here: https://cty.jhu.edu/talent/testing/.
Maybe there is a specific program for under-represented groups too, to complement the merit-based ones? I didn't see any during a quick check though.
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The quote is from their site's "CTY Scholarship Application" page. I have issues with most of the bullet points there, but the third one is the one I referenced in the OP.
Once an achievement oriented organization moved off pure merit base, I am no longer assured that their best is the best. Rather, is it merely the best of a subset. That really took away what was a meaningful thing to say "I am a CTY scholar."
I felt embarrassed after having recommend it to my barber. With lock-down over, I had my very much needed hair cut. I followed up and ask him if he did that for his daughter - only to get a very funny look back. A very good reminder-lesson of "what was" does not always equal "what is".
Quote below, link to quote at the bottom.
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Eligibility Requirements
Successful CTY Scholars candidates must:
• Earn qualifying scores on the SAT, ACT or Advanced SCAT that qualify for CTY summer and online programs
• Be in the 8th grade and attend a public or charter school
• Be from a traditionally underrepresented student group in higher education
• Have a combined family income of $75,000 or less
• Meet current geographic area of available scholarship
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To preserve the context of the reply if they changed in the future, I am attaching a Chrome-Print PDF of the linked page.
Link here:
https://cty.jhu.edu/scholarships/cty_scholars/application.html
tooki:
Bruh... :palm:
That’s not the eligibility requirements for the CTY program. It’s the eligibility requirements for the scholarship, i.e. for a particular kind of financial aid they grant.
Rick Law:
--- Quote from: tooki on July 25, 2020, 08:18:49 pm ---Bruh... :palm:
That’s not the eligibility requirements for the CTY program. It’s the eligibility requirements for the scholarship, i.e. for a particular kind of financial aid they grant.
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I know that that was a scholarship requirement - but CTY was very achievement oriented. Just look at the name of the organization - Center for Talented Youth, that screams achievement.
Even after you got in, signing up for courses is based on your score instead of first-come-first-serve. I knew a young lady (classmate of my daughter) who qualified for CTY Discovery-level (on-line courses only), who took SAT 3 times at grade 7 just so she get the score to get her into the level to have in-person courses.
CTY always had cave-outs for a subgroup. 700 club was for those who got 700 in their SAT at 12 years of age. That is fair, that is achievement. They have another one above that still. For an achievement oriented organization to focus on anything else but achievement took that away. That "judgement based solely on achievement" is gone.
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