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Right to repair, my problem with it

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Psi:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 26, 2021, 08:28:14 am ---
--- Quote from: Psi on July 26, 2021, 07:45:12 am ---kinda true. The point of R2R is legislation to stop manufactures making repairs difficult, but the reason repairs are currently difficult is because of planned obsolescence.

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R2R is not about making repairs easier from mechanical standpoint, or to fight planned obsolescence. It's to make parts, tools and service information available. You can be the best repairman in the world, but you won't fix the thing if required part is not available.

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The R2R issue is inextricably linked to planned obsolescence.
Any R2R law that helps to make repair easier by access to parts, tools and service information will also reduce planned obsolescence.
The main driving factor for business's to withhold access to parts, tools, service info is profit.

wraper:

--- Quote from: Psi on July 27, 2021, 12:56:11 pm ---Any R2R law that helps to make repair easier by access to parts, tools and service information will also reduce planned obsolescence.

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Yes, it interferes with planned obsolescence but not directly.

CatalinaWOW:
It may interfere with planned obsolescence, but it doesn't interfere with profits.  Repair parts always (even in good situations) sell for far more than their original installed cost.  Think of having to build a care or an oscilloscope using parts.  Planned obsolescence merely means more of these part sales, which could easily exceed the profit from selling a new widget.

TimFox:
I have seen estimates that building a car from repair parts would cost 5 to 20 times the retail price of a new car.
Johnny Cash’s song “One Piece at a Time” is a comedy about stealing parts from the factory over 25 years (limited by lunchbox size) and the resulting problems with getting them to fit each other.

G7PSK:

--- Quote from: TimFox on July 27, 2021, 11:30:15 pm ---I have seen estimates that building a car from repair parts would cost 5 to 20 times the retail price of a new car.
Johnny Cash’s song “One Piece at a Time” is a comedy about stealing parts from the factory over 25 years (limited by lunchbox size) and the resulting problems with getting them to fit each other.

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Back in the late 1070's there was a case of someone who worked in the land rover factory stealing parts for range rovers, he worked in partnership with the man who delivered milk to the factory canteen.
They smuggled whole engines out hidden by the milk crates and got caught when the loft ceiling of the factory workers house fell in from the weight of car parts. They had ammased nearly enough parts to build three range rovers including chassis axles and body panels. Made the national news at the time.

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