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Right to repair, my problem with it

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Zero999:

--- Quote from: Psi on October 06, 2021, 11:34:39 am ---Another approach to getting R2R is having laws like in Germany where an appliance/device must be returned to the manufacturer when it is time to dispose of it. So that they have to deal with it's disposal.

If you make the cost of disposal expensive for the manufacturer they will naturally make the device last longer to save money.
Or at the very least, make the device easy to dissemble and recycle.

The only way forward with R2R is to make it less profitable to design things to fail instead of more profitable.

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Those approaches might have unintended consequences. Be prepared for more recycled parts on the market, sold as new.

Zucca:
Generally I would like a discount on product I can use but not repair.
In alternative paying some extra for the service manual it would also be somehow fair.

What I do not like is the dishonest, crooked, foul, bent and knavish attitude to sell a product at full price which in reality it is just renting it...

MT:

--- Quote from: mariush on July 18, 2021, 09:01:49 pm ---Something very basic:

A manufacturer should keep a specific percentage of each component that's not easily available commercially as spare part inventory, for the expected duration of the device plus a reasonable amount of years.

For example, if a user expects a laptop to last 3 years until it's obsoleted by newer more powerful models, then the manufacturer should have a certain percentage of parts for 3 + 2 years = 5 years.
Also, keep making stock for each year until the laptop model is discontinued.  ex. the laptop starts being made in 2009, they give it a 3 year life, but they keep making it until 2015, they would need to stock parts every year from 2009 to 2015, and keep some amount of spare parts until 2020 (2015 +3 years expected life +2 years).

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Recall Japan had 10 years back in the 80es on chips, it might have been on other components as well, cant remember , most likely that law got ditched some time.

Ranayna:
*sigh* People are not smart :( Or maybe it's just the gamers? I don't know, i'm a gamer and think i am resonably smart :p

Some time ago, Valve, the company behind the gaming platform Steam, announced a new portable gaming system. Essentially a full fledged PC, running Linux, in a form-factor similar to the Nintendo Switch.

A couple of days ago, Valve posted this video:


Showing a teardown of the device, and that several main components are reasonably easy to replace, and, more importantly, that they will sell official spare parts.

And what are the comments on many sites discussing this?

The manufacturer is expecting it to break.
It's dangerous!
Think about the childen! Yes, really: what if a child opens the device after seeing this video...

Apparently many users do not even want repairability. :(

Ed.Kloonk:
I remember when the entertainment system in the house was as big as a piece of furniture. In fact, it WAS a piece of furniture.

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