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| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: robint91 on July 18, 2021, 05:47:34 pm ---Sorry, but he repairs a laptop for a customer. It goes from "not working" to "working". That is repairing. I have no problem with bodging stuff only which the people using them definitely know what the bodge is and what the risk of that bodge is. A general consumer cannot make the assessment on the risk that this bodge can produce. --- End quote --- And you have a problem with companies providing the original components and service manuals with all the information for an impeccable repair. |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: robint91 on July 18, 2021, 12:53:59 pm ---I think that people are overlooking a few aspects of the whole right to repair legislation. I see two big asterisks in the whole discussion. The first one is "product conformity" and how much repair can deviate from the original design. I know that it takes very very little modifications to a design to invalidate any EMC/Intended radiator/Safety/... test for FCC/UL and CE. The producer has to be sure that every product he makes is exactly the same as the one which is tested. He is liable if it doesn't adhere to the same standards. So they have meticulously create internal assembly guidelines on how to create the exact same product, how to open/close the enclosure, how to apply shielding tape,... Just to ensure "product conformity". --- End quote --- You make a very good point about this. Indeed, any non-approved repair (approved meaning repair according to the vendor's procedures, done by qualified technicians, with exact replacement parts, etc) would potentially invalidate any FCC/CE marking. This is a real issue there. This is one reason why (and see the other thread about it too) I think the "right to repair", even though I'm all for it, has probably little applicability. For all you know, you may be granted a theoretical right to repair on any product that's complying with it, without effectively being able to repair it, or to use it once it's been repaired. It's a can of worms really, and making the right to repair of any practical use will be very difficult IMHO - outside maybe of a very restricted number of cases, being more related to "maintenance" than true repair. |
| rstofer:
IIRC, my Galaxy J7V cell phone cost about $150 when I bought it back around 2017. How much can I spend on repair? No, it's not an iPhone Pro but for my usage it is entirely adequate. It will probably last forever! There are still some inexpensive cell phones available. Of course, there are some very expensive models as well. But probably not for me... |
| robint91:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on July 18, 2021, 05:48:04 pm --- --- Quote from: robint91 on July 18, 2021, 05:40:27 pm ---For electronic and other consumer equipment that doesn't exist. The only thing that is the conformaty when the device is manufactured. --- End quote --- Every single product that gets out of the assembly line is tested for EMc in the same anechoic chamber its prototype was tested when it was certified by an accredited lab? --- End quote --- No, that doesn't happen. One product gets tested and all the others are the same because of the exact same design and exact same way of producing. |
| TimFox:
--- Quote from: ataradov on July 18, 2021, 05:55:21 pm ---FCC does not care as much about a single modified unit. There are limits to this, of course, in case if intentional radiators, but generally it dos not matter. The same as RoHS. You can use leaded solder for repairs, nobody will fine you. The goal of those regulations is to prevent massive amounts of devices that are not compliant, and possibly can't even function when multiple of them are in a close proximity. Where do you have mandatory safety inspections? There are often exhaust compliance inspections, but I don't even know what that safety inspection would look like. --- End quote --- There are jurisdictions, State by State in the US, with mandatory safety inspections on brakes, lights, etc. Google “vehicle inspection in the United States”, which details requirements for safety and emissions testing. |
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