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Right to repair, my problem with it

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Psi:

--- Quote from: TheBay on November 13, 2021, 09:53:10 am ---I think the point has been missed here with the past 2 replies on what I originally said.
The point I was making is that parts are getting increasingly difficult to purchase if not impossible from either manufacturers or third party retailers due to the "Right to repair" it has stopped end users, third party retailers and any non "authorised repairers" from being able to obtain them.

--- End quote ---

I have seen other post on this forum from a few people in the UK saying they are now finding it really hard to buy electrical components because their usual supplier has changed the rules and now only sells to other companies that are VAT registered.  Perhaps this is what you are seeing?
But I have not see any evidence that this trend is related to right to repair.

In any case, no one else in the word seems to be having this issue that i'm aware of, it seems to be a UK thing.
If right to repair was the cause you would expect to see it happening everywhere.

TheBay:

--- Quote from: Psi on November 13, 2021, 10:08:19 am ---
--- Quote from: TheBay on November 13, 2021, 09:53:10 am ---I think the point has been missed here with the past 2 replies on what I originally said.
The point I was making is that parts are getting increasingly difficult to purchase if not impossible from either manufacturers or third party retailers due to the "Right to repair" it has stopped end users, third party retailers and any non "authorised repairers" from being able to obtain them.

--- End quote ---

I have seen other post on this forum from a few people in the UK saying they are now finding it really hard to buy electrical components because their usual supplier has changed the rules and now only sells to other companies that are VAT registered.  Perhaps this is what you are seeing?
But I have not see any evidence that this trend is related to right to repair.

In any case, no one else in the word seems to be having this issue that i'm aware of, it seems to be a UK thing.
If right to repair was the cause you would expect to see it happening everywhere.

--- End quote ---

It's definitely due to "Right to repair" not a VAT issue, it has also affected the EU too as we decided to match the EU policy before we left.
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/06/new-right-to-repair-laws-introduced-what-do-they-actually-mean-for-you/

Psi:
Whatever happens you should still be able to order your spare parts internationally.

You may also find a market develops for professional repairers, who have access to the parts, to resell them to the public with their own markup. Not ideal, but better than nothing and no different to how retail works for other sectors. Manufacturer -> wholesaler -> retailer.   Previously the wholesaler was also selling to the public and being a retailer but if this now stops a new retailer may step in to serve that market.

Unless you have some ghastly law that states some spare parts are illegal for the general public to own or be sold. But, If that is the case i suggest looking at options to move to a different country as a final level of protest against the system.

Ranayna:
I think that this is more related to consumer protection laws.
A consumer in the EU, and i would assume that UK also still has that in effect, has a 14-day, no questions asked, right to return anything bought online.

A business does not have that right.
I can fully understand that the distributors do not want to deal with small-fry private customers anymore. It was always obvious that they never really were set up for that anyway. I would assume that one too many customer (ab)used the right to return. And any such deal is generally a net-loss. That is even true for the giants like amazon: It's cheaper to outright destroy many returned goods than to check and restock them. It's supposedly even cheaper to destroy than to donate.

What is a distributor like DigiKey supposed to to with a cut tape containing 100 smd resistors? Just having someone look at the package to see if it is still sealed is more expensive than those components are worth.

Psi:
Yes, i agree.

It's not a right to repair issue, it's wholesale companies saying they don't want to sell to the public and have to deal with lots of returns or comply with B2C rules. That doesn't mean parts won't be available to the public, if there is demand for them someone will sell them.

And, if a country creates bad R2R laws that's not an argument against R2R, it's an argument against bad laws.

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