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Right to repair, my problem with it

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Fixed_Until_Broken:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on July 18, 2021, 06:15:31 pm ---It's not a purely economic matter. We're still stuck in a 1960s mindset where we just throw out a phone and replace it for not a lot of money. We're slowly realising that resources are in fact finite and that we can't keep digging up stuff to put in landfills after a few years. The market loves it, but it's not a sustainable model. We filled up the world with crap in a few short years. Repair needs to be normalised and preferably quickly.

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Completely agree here. The sustainably of our current model does not work! Repair needs to be normalized and throwing out ostracized.

Fixed_Until_Broken:

--- Quote from: rstofer on July 18, 2021, 06:16:36 pm ---There's actually a 'big book of VIN number locations' available for Law Enforcement (only).

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As a prior law enforcement officer, I have never seen this book. Maybe only the DMV gets it?

Edit: or maybe you made that up.

pqass:

--- Quote from: robint91 on July 18, 2021, 05:24:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: pqass on July 18, 2021, 03:03:35 pm ---The purpose of EMC on manufacturers is to stop them from producing millions of EMI radiators.  I don't think the FCC/IC/etc. cares about one-of repairs.  A few mm of extra wire at these power levels aren't going to swamp-out anything (except AM radio at 2ft).  Every jurisdiction has a low-power license exemption for individuals. 

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FCC does care when I'm selling a single unit. It needs to be tested according to their rules, why would it be for repair different? Are you willing to take the risk of putting a product back into the hands of the customer when there is a possibility that isn't doesn't comply. For smartphones and laptops it could be benign (expect when it burst into flames) but for a ADAS module for a car, I would be a bit more cautious.

If that EMI is no big deal, why do we have such strict rules about them. Everyone should adhere those ruleset, repair people included.

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The difference is quantity.  There will be orders of magnitude less repaired products in use vs working originals.

As Louis pointed out in past videos, as an individual, you are allowed to work on your own brakes and home wiring.  What happens afterwards is between you and your insurance company.  So yes, there is a double standard between manufacturers and the individual [who assumes the risks of the repaired product].


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--- Quote from: pqass on July 18, 2021, 03:03:35 pm ---Well then, add a line item for the IP as well when you sell the contracted chips/board to a third party.  Remit the IP $ to the IP holder.

If you are a separate legal entity (from the contractor), I don't see why anybody can't ask you for a chip/board if they pay for the one-time engineering, IP licenses, and minimum quantity (batch).  Everyone gets paid.   What's the problem?   Oh right, the collusion is missing!  Duh!

If you are NOT a separate legal entity from the contractor (ie. in-house, wholly owned/majority sub), then consumer protection laws should govern minium product support period.

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So if I ask Intersil to create a custom design for specially me and also ask them to produce it for me. Who are you to demand access to that chip? In my view you are asking for an "Apple component" from Intersil, and not a "Intersil component". Which manufacturer it makes totally doesn't matter. It is a "Apple component" so you should ask Apple if they could supply it to you. I don't see any point to have legally forced to sell you that part. Or should we also demand from Apple that they sell their M1 CPU?

It is wat rstofer said, we need to define "repair". And in my honest opinion and component level repair has already died with the introduction of SMD. And the repair that happens now is just scribbling in the margins.

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"...ask Intersil to create..."  or mark chips with my proprietary part numbers all sounds like collusion to me as they seem to rely on IP that is already mostly developed by the OEM and is being incorporated in other chips they sell to distributors/general public. So I, a third party, should not be barred from buying same (subject to one-time, license, and minimum quantity charges). 

"Collusion is a deceitful agreement or secret cooperation between two or more parties to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading or defrauding others of their legal right[/u].' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion

Apple doesnt sell their M1 chip or any other chips to distributors/general public. They purchased a chip design house to design the M1 from ARM IP + their own IP and contracted Samsung? to deliver wafers or packaged chips for them.  Apple owns the masks; not Samsung. 

Right to repair is mostly about stopping stupid shit like re-labeling and deliberate obfuscation.  No one is compelling TSMC to produce 30yo chips.


ataradov:
All major parts of the car body and engine have VIN stamped on them. But I'm not sure it is such a huge secret. There are books of them, but I'm pretty sure they are not secret either. They are there so that you can inspect the car prior to sale and stuff like this.

DrG:

--- Quote from: rstofer on July 18, 2021, 06:16:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: DrG on July 18, 2021, 06:08:54 pm ---
Other states like Arizona have different levels of inspection and I have no idea what they mean or what they look at ...e.g.  for a Level 3 inspection - "This highest level inspection can only be conducted by a peace officer "..."Level III inspections are required when a vehicle is restored salvage, a recovered stolen vehicle or has been involved in a collision. This inspection is necessary to verify all major component parts (front-end assembly, engine, transmission, rear-end assembly for trucks and truck-type vehicles), and the vehicle is equipped for highway use."

Why a peace officer? Why not a mechanic? dunno.

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Because they don't want to disclose where the hidden VIN numbers are located.  There are VINs all over the place, not just at the lower left of the windshield.  There's actually a 'big book of VIN number locations' available for Law Enforcement (only).

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I got ya - they want to make sure it is not stolen ... but I would still want a safety inspection, not just a stolen property inspection - but maybe the Levels are cumulative so that if you have to get a Level III you also had to have a Level II - that kind of thing.

I wonder what level this one had...that looks a lot like a couch I had once!



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