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Right to repair, my problem with it
cdev:
The whole point of "right of repair" in my opinion is to return sanity to electronics and other complicated, bought proprietary technology. Its really gone out of control. Even hard core IP maximalist legislators are sick of all the horror stories they hr from constituents whoose trctors, computers, etc could not be repaired except by the manufacturer at a cost far exceeding reasonable.
Now there is finally inertia to do something about it. Otherwise people will be so angry they will voe out the legislators who swallow the big companies BS. No matter how much they contribute to campaigns. At least it seems that is the way things are heading here in the US.
Also once software is abandonware people should have the right to repair it in any way possible without getting in trouble.
Also software updates should never render commercial software unusuable unless its absolutely unavoidable for a Well documented, obvious and unassailable technical reason.
Government customers get a copy of the source code, commercial customers should too. This is why if you have a business you should never depend on commercial closed source SW. It never remains compatible for decades any more. Thats common with FOSS though.
cdev:
Farmers should band togther to develop open agricultural machinery platforms and agricultural automation platforms in different sizes and types,standardize parts for it.
Lets help solve real peoples problems affordably and help Feed the people of the world an save family farms from foreclosure in this era of climate change with open robots.
--- Quote from: TimFox on July 18, 2021, 09:43:46 pm ---A large group of non-electrical folk who are concerned about RTR is farmers, since large tractor manufacturers such as John Deere are resisting it.
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langwadt:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on July 18, 2021, 05:32:24 pm ---Why do people have so much trouble getting to grips with right to repair? We've had it for years and in a much more safety critical situation too. Cars! We have OEM parts and repair, aftermarket parts and repair, salvage parts and all permutations of those and it works. Any and all safety and regulatory issues that could apply to electronics definitely apply to cars. Yet the system works and with comparatively few issues.
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and in some places the manufacturers can't even require you use an authorized shop to do maintenance as a requirement for warranty
rstofer:
--- Quote from: mariush on July 18, 2021, 09:01:49 pm ---Allow Apple to sell these parts with a "reasonable" profit to service places and regular users, for example maximum 500% for chips that cost under 5$, maximum 200% for chips over $5, and reasonable shipping costs - if they bought the chip for 3$ they could still sell the chip for 9$ plus 5-20$ shipping.
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And the repair shop will screw up the installation and claim that the replacement part is defective. You can see that coming a mile away!
In terms of electronic gadgets, I view R2R as the "Louis Rossman Enrichment Act". I don't see any practical way to make it work that protects the manufacturers from substandard work. The manufacturers will need to add a cost to every device to cover the inevitable poor repair jobs and I don't want to pay for it. It's probably better for the manufacturers to assume they are going to need to replace 'x'% of all devices sold and just embed the cost. Do a full replacement and call it a day.
In effect, they already do this for the first year so all we need to do is decide how long a full warranty should last. Three years? Twenty years? It's just money!
Fixed_Until_Broken:
--- Quote from: rstofer on July 18, 2021, 10:10:29 pm ---In terms of electronic gadgets, I view R2R as the "Louis Rossman Enrichment Act".
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So your real issue is with a person and not the right to repair.
You have used every technique to deflect or ignore everyone's comments in here that pokes holes in your logic.
You are grasping at straws I almost feel like you are trolling at this point.
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