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Right to repair, my problem with it
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bdunham7:

--- Quote from: robint91 on July 18, 2021, 09:41:29 pm ---If a product is used by everyday consumers it should every time it passes from technician to consumer when acquiring or repairing be fully inline with all the harmonized standards the device shipped with initially.

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I'm not sure what you are advocating.  Are you saying that anyone who repairs any device should submit the repaired unit for full certification testing of every standard that the original item was required to meet?  So that if I replace the bumper on your car, I have to perform the full suite of destructive crash tests? 

Or are you saying the repair should be done in a manner that reasonably ensures conformity with the original standards, with limited testing appropriate to the situation?  After all, as I believe you pointed out, the original manufacturer's conformity testing is done on a sample, then uniform manufacturing practices ensure conformity of the entire production batch.  The car company crashes one car to test the bumper, then assumes the rest will work similarly.  The same would apply to repairs, would it not?   If I replace your bumper with a proper part and install it in conformity with the manufacturers procedure, it should be good?  Same-quality replacement parts and proper procedures, right? 

What better way is there to achieve that then to mandate the availability of those parts and procedures?  Your top post shows what you seem to think is an awful bodge (although it likely is good enough for any reasonable purpose) but ignores the fact that the availability of that part would have allowed for a nice, neat and completely compliant repair.  I'm not necessarily arguing that Apple should be required to supply that part if they don't replace it themselves in their repair shops, but I think its pretty clear that withholding OEM parts is going to create a market for questionable quality repairs.


--- Quote ---That is or should be the law.

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I don't know where you are, but here that is not the law nor is it likely to become the law.  Laws requiring inspections of furnaces, cars, etc. are very unpopular and seen, IMO mostly correctly, as supports for trade unions and business interests.  People don't like being regulated, but they don't mind regulation of others....

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: rstofer on July 18, 2021, 10:10:29 pm ---And the repair shop will screw up the installation and claim that the replacement part is defective.  You can see that coming a mile away!

In terms of electronic gadgets, I view R2R as the "Louis Rossman Enrichment Act".  I don't see any practical way to make it work that protects the manufacturers from substandard work.  The manufacturers will need to add a cost to every device to cover the inevitable poor repair jobs and I don't want to pay for it.  It's probably better for the manufacturers to assume they are going to need to replace 'x'% of all devices sold and just embed the cost.  Do a full replacement and call it a day.

In effect, they already do this for the first year so all we need to do is decide how long a full warranty should last.  Three years?  Twenty years?  It's just money!

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Is this a problem in the car industry? Why do you think electronics will be different? Why are you against free market competition? Why do issues keep being invented?
rstofer:

--- Quote from: TimFox on July 18, 2021, 09:43:46 pm ---A large group of non-electrical folk who are concerned about RTR is farmers, since large tractor manufacturers such as John Deere are resisting it.

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They may be resisting it but John Deere parts are all over the Internet.  I could even find complete engines with about 5 clicks.  They're not cheap but they're available.

Caterpillar parts are also readily available.  From dealers or direct from the factory.  There are also after-market parts available.

Google has links...
TimFox:
New John Deere equipment is as infested with software, IP, diagnostics, and chips as is other modern stuff.
John Deere enthusiasts restore the ancient ones, with one-cylinder engines.
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: rstofer on July 18, 2021, 10:20:41 pm ---They may be resisting it but John Deere parts are all over the Internet.  I could even find complete engines with about 5 clicks.  They're not cheap but they're available.

Caterpillar parts are also readily available.  From dealers or direct from the factory.  There are also after-market parts available.

Google has links...

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The problem is getting the equipment to run after installing these parts. Even swapping out an arm rest can lead to the software locking the owner out. Every purebred American should shiver at the thought of the free market being impeded by one party.
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