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| kripton2035:
don't be scared for apple parts... they have taken measures for it... since 2017, all devices sold have a security chip inside. the "T2" for the mac. if you try to make a working device out of 2-3 defective, the reassembled device will not work the security chip will forbid it. you have to buy virgin spare parts, at a very high price, and a lot of high price tools in order to repair the first one (and you don't need the used spare parts they can go to the bin they are unusable) unless one day someone hack the T2 chip completely. this can kill the used market for these computers and I presume that all other manufacturers will do the same sooner or later. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: ferdieCX on March 10, 2021, 04:39:26 pm ---Four years ago, while living in Berlin, my landlord had to throw away a perfect working freezer just because the thermostat was kaput. It used a proprietary connector that was not any more in production. Such proprietary things should be forbidden. A few years ago, each cellular phone used a different connector for the charger. After an ultimatum from the EU to adopt a standard charger, the manufacturers quickly agreed to use the micro USB standard. --- End quote --- When the issue becomes visible to a majority of consumers (everyone has a phone, and charges it, and eventually get angered by the lack of a standard plug), it is easy for the politicians to hammer some common sense into industry. The problem is that most of their "tricks" are only visible to engineers, and even then only those engineers that get involved in the repair process for whatever reason (like your freezer example). Really it would be useful if there was a serious consumer advocate organisation, staffed with engineers and designers, that could offer some real opposition to the greedy, useless parasites that destroy the earth by manufacturing unrepairable products. |
| Alti:
--- Quote from: CJay on March 10, 2021, 02:09:18 pm ---Could you show me the rules that enforced that because it's not affected me? --- End quote --- You mean that in UK you can buy and sell parts of appliances on a scrap yard?? Lucky you, it is forbidden to buy and to sell such components here (Poland). We are obliged to return complete appliance to specialized e-waste collecting points (via the shop when you buy new appliance or dedicated collecting points or scrap yards or independent e-waste collector companies, whatever the path). A fine for disposing e-waste out of this e-waste cycle is around 1200€ here. These are the consequences of european regulations regarding e-waste. Take a look at Directive 2012/19/EU My country implemented these changes in 2015. The end result is that scrap yard can only buy complete appliances and must not disassemble/process them by themselves. They literally won't allow you to disassemble the dishwasher that some other guy sold them 10 minutes earlier! Then complete appliance is transported to a dedicated e-waste processing plant that has the right to recycle it (which means: shred to bits and remelt). In conclusion - no cheap spares on scrap yards since 2015. Is it different in other EU countries? |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: Alti on March 10, 2021, 05:17:48 pm --- --- Quote from: CJay on March 10, 2021, 02:09:18 pm ---Could you show me the rules that enforced that because it's not affected me? --- End quote --- You mean that in UK you can buy and sell parts of appliances on a scrap yard?? Lucky you, it is forbidden to buy and to sell such components here (Poland). We are obliged to return complete appliance to specialized e-waste collecting points (via the shop when you buy new appliance or dedicated collecting points or scrap yards or independent e-waste collector companies, whatever the path). A fine for disposing e-waste out of this e-waste cycle is around 1200€ here. These are the consequences of european regulations regarding e-waste. Take a look at Directive 2012/19/EU My country implemented these changes in 2015. The end result is that scrap yard can only buy complete appliances and must not disassemble/process them by themselves. They literally won't allow you to disassemble the dishwasher that some other guy sold them 10 minutes earlier! Then complete appliance is transported to a dedicated e-waste processing plant that has the right to recycle it (which means: shred to bits and remelt). In conclusion - no cheap spares on scrap yards since 2015. Is it different in other EU countries? --- End quote --- I think each country is allowed leeway on how to implement directives. But, even in the US it is difficult to buy scrap appliances for parts. The "appliance mafia" is of course behind this, they don't want an army of tinkerers keeping the old products alive beyond the date they had planned! |
| amyk:
--- Quote from: ferdieCX on March 10, 2021, 04:39:26 pm ---Four years ago, while living in Berlin, my landlord had to throw away a perfect working freezer just because the thermostat was kaput. It used a proprietary connector that was not any more in production. Such proprietary things should be forbidden. --- End quote --- Right to repair should also naturally include right to modify. If a connector is not available I will just replace the one of the opposite gender too, with a more standard and easily available one. |
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