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Right to Repair - UK and EU making changes to facilitate repairs :)

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SilverSolder:

2 million Cosori air fryers are currently being recalled over reports of burns, property damage.

You guessed it...  they are not being repaired, but replaced.   It is cheaper to make new ones, apparently!

Alti:

--- Quote from: Neutrion on February 20, 2023, 06:04:00 pm ---There are some problems with the "A" however.
A perfectly planned component life time can not account for different methods of usage.
(..)Think about how many different ways things can be used.
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Of course - real life use case is way/infinitely more complex than this naive model. It assumes a-priori knowledge of K. The role of this model is not to fit all cases as this would have required much more than 3 parameters and sophistication than those simplified assumptions.

My idea was to grab the essence of two competing solutions, A vs B and understand right-to-repair rules that allow both to coexist. It is the only way our future can develop. As you can see, you cannot pick any K and any Q. Only some subset allows both designs to achieve TC(A)=TC(B). Any right-to-repair that does not allow this equality to hold would mean that the near future consists of only A or only B and that is unlikely.


--- Quote from: timeandfrequency on February 20, 2023, 07:28:08 pm ---You need to buy/replace the whole boiler+heater assembly which costs 190 bucks. The same (new) appliance costs...180 bucks. Guess what my friend decided to do ?

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That is an example of B-type appliance that has a very high Q so most likely he disassembled it for parts (sold remaining parts as replacement parts). Feel free to protest or make campaigns for access to repair documentation. It does not matter how easily a $190 component is being replaced in $180 appliance. Once you force screws by law, one thing that changes is that the appliance is going to cost $181 because of greater manufacturing complexity. Then you'll get three separate replacement components instead of this one, $190 each. Of course you can hack with some generic parts from lawn mower and air fryer but this is not an idea for the sustainable future, or the goal of right to repair movement, you know.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on February 25, 2023, 03:36:16 pm ---2 million Cosori air fryers are currently being recalled over reports of burns, property damage.

You guessed it...  they are not being repaired, but replaced.   It is cheaper to make new ones, apparently!

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It's always cheaper for items below a certain price range. Obvious. Repairing is expensive.

Now end-users may still want to be able to repair their devices themselves, taking their own time and tools for that, so that cost is a different consideration.

Problems of course, as we already debated, start when it comes to safety. Depending on the type of devices, especially if they are mains-powered, it's probably unsafe in the general case to make it a rule to just let random joes repair them. And, if they need to go to a professional repair shop, that'll be costly. You have to pay people who work, stuff like that. I don't really see what alternative there is.

It's probably fine for devices with no or little safety concerns, but for the rest, it's a conundrum, and makes near to zero sense (however unfortunate we may find that) for cheap devices - I'd approximately put the line at around $1k or so.

perdrix:
>it's probably unsafe in the general case to make it a rule to just let random joes repair them.

What's the problem with allowing Darwinian selection ? :)   Yeah I know - incompetent repair kills/injures/causes financial loss to an entity that's not the repairer, but a third party.

Not sure that I see a solution - it's like the issue to doing my own electrics (in the UK).  I rewired my own house completely back in the days when it was allowed, and had it inspected on completion - comment from inspector: "I wish the professionals would work to your standard".  Now it's an interesting question whether I'm allowed to or not.
AFAIK it's totally not allowed in Australia thanks to very effective lobbying from the trade.

D.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: perdrix on February 26, 2023, 10:50:44 am --->it's probably unsafe in the general case to make it a rule to just let random joes repair them.

What's the problem with allowing Darwinian selection ? :)

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I wouldn't be against it myself, to some extent. ;D
And I'm all for giving people more individual responsibilities.

But my point here is that it would be almost completely opposite to the principle of european directives in general, and CE marking in particular. So, from a legislation point of view, that would make little sense.

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