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SiliconWizard:
Obviously these senators have no clue - the thread was not about whether it made any sense at all, but a wishful hope that it will never make it through.

And sure China will do everything they can to move forward, just like the US. But I fail to see how using an open-source ISA (not even an open-source implementation of a RISC-V core, as they have their own implementations for the most part) equates to be "willing to use all means". This makes absolutely no sense. Everyone is free to use it. That's the whole point.

It makes zero sense, except looking like a tantrum because due to open-source, the US may not be able to force everyone to use their proprietary products anymore. Come on.
BravoV:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 17, 2023, 04:18:10 am ---Obviously these senators have no clue ....

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They are just a bunch of clown, example at the US senate Tiktok's hearing ...  :-DD

CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 17, 2023, 04:18:10 am ---Obviously these senators have no clue - the thread was not about whether it made any sense at all, but a wishful hope that it will never make it through.

And sure China will do everything they can to move forward, just like the US. But I fail to see how using an open-source ISA (not even an open-source implementation of a RISC-V core, as they have their own implementations for the most part) equates to be "willing to use all means". This makes absolutely no sense. Everyone is free to use it. That's the whole point.

It makes zero sense, except looking like a tantrum because due to open-source, the US may not be able to force everyone to use their proprietary products anymore. Come on.

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I don't have any objections to open source.  But large markets (China, EU, US) may find it advantageous to control imports of open source items on their areas.  Done wisely this could prove benefits to local producers, perhaps even producing the same open source items.

My comment was only to suggest that the US hasn't been very wise in this area, for at least a half century.  As a whole both our political and business leaders have arrogantly thought that our once dominant economic position was due to some intrinsic superiority, and not recognized that brains are a worldwide commodity. 
2N3055:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on October 17, 2023, 11:41:17 am ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 17, 2023, 04:18:10 am ---Obviously these senators have no clue - the thread was not about whether it made any sense at all, but a wishful hope that it will never make it through.

And sure China will do everything they can to move forward, just like the US. But I fail to see how using an open-source ISA (not even an open-source implementation of a RISC-V core, as they have their own implementations for the most part) equates to be "willing to use all means". This makes absolutely no sense. Everyone is free to use it. That's the whole point.

It makes zero sense, except looking like a tantrum because due to open-source, the US may not be able to force everyone to use their proprietary products anymore. Come on.

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I don't have any objections to open source.  But large markets (China, EU, US) may find it advantageous to control imports of open source items on their areas.  Done wisely this could prove benefits to local producers, perhaps even producing the same open source items.

My comment was only to suggest that the US hasn't been very wise in this area, for at least a half century.  As a whole both our political and business leaders have arrogantly thought that our once dominant economic position was due to some intrinsic superiority, and not recognized that brains are a worldwide commodity.

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I really like how nicely, politely but up to the point you formulated that.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: pickle9000 on October 17, 2023, 03:49:11 am ---RISC-V reminds me of A.I.
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Poor analogy.  RISC-V is like Linux: it works, but will never be the Microsoft many demand and expect it to become.

"You'll never become relevant [on the desktop/in the US political military-industial complex], until you become the very thing your creators found dissatisfactory for their own needs and started building an alternative for in the first place."

Just like Microsoft, they will fight silly, they will fight dirty, and then they will lose, and change their minds.

Current "AI", on the other hand, is just Clippy on steroids: a content generation tool for those with nothing original or useful to say.  You think 4chan and conspiracy forums are the cesspit of the interwebs?  You've seen nothing yet: with ubiquitous LLMs comes personalized vapid AI-generated ad-based content, optimized based on billions of hours of human work, to turn you into the easily replaceable subservient consumer to be exploited by those who'll own the world.  By the time you'll eat ze bugs, you'll believe it's really the moral thing, the ethical thing, the best thing to do; and you will indeed be happy.
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