Samsung can now remotely brick your TV

[AaronLee]

It's cheaper to buy 4K TV's nowadays than 4K monitors.
I personally have 2 x 28" 4K monitors, and they're great.  But they cost £400 in total new (which was very cheap, they are now more expensive due to the silicon shortage, last I checked.)
A 48" 4K TV would cost about the same and offers more screen area, although less total pixels.

I know a 3D CAD mechanical designer who has a 39" 4K TV as his main desktop display and has it partitioned into 2/3 displays as needed.

Well, maybe I've just looked at the wrong models, because back when 4K was still too expensive, I benchmarked several 2K monitors vs 2K TV sets, and all the TV sets seemed to be doing some sort of scaling so that they weren't using the native panel resolution. Everything looked fuzzy on the TVs compared to real monitors. At that time, the type of ports and specs for the ports on the TVs was much worse than for typical monitors as well. For example, do 4K TVs currently typically support DisplayPort? Even if I need to spend double, for me it's worth it to get a good quality display that will display computer text and graphics clearly, causing me less eye strain. I'm looking at my monitor for most of the day, and a high quality display is one of the top priorities to keep me productive.

[tom66]

4K TV's don't usually have DisplayPort.  But every one I have used supports 1:1 pixel perfect rendering so never fuzzy.  Don't know what models you are using,  my 2012 Panasonic FHD plasma TV supports 1:1.  It's been a common feature since HDMI was first a thing.

But HDMI 2.0 supports passive DisplayPort adapters.  My monitors only have one DisplayPort and two HDMI (one 1.4, one 2.0).  I can get 60Hz inputs on them via either the DisplayPort, or the HDMI 2.0 port.  (1.4 is max 30Hz so unusable for a desktop.)  Since I use my work laptop with them as well as my desktop I have passive cables for the HDMI ports that take my graphics cards' DP signals and route them to the HDMI input, and I use regular DP for the work laptop. The GFX card in my desktop recognises this and switches to HDMI 2.0 mode.  This is a standard DP feature.

[Berni]

It's cheaper to buy 4K TV's nowadays than 4K monitors.
I personally have 2 x 28" 4K monitors, and they're great.  But they cost £400 in total new (which was very cheap, they are now more expensive due to the silicon shortage, last I checked.)
A 48" 4K TV would cost about the same and offers more screen area, although less total pixels.

I know a 3D CAD mechanical designer who has a 39" 4K TV as his main desktop display and has it partitioned into 2/3 displays as needed.

Well, maybe I've just looked at the wrong models, because back when 4K was still too expensive, I benchmarked several 2K monitors vs 2K TV sets, and all the TV sets seemed to be doing some sort of scaling so that they weren't using the native panel resolution. Everything looked fuzzy on the TVs compared to real monitors. At that time, the type of ports and specs for the ports on the TVs was much worse than for typical monitors as well. For example, do 4K TVs currently typically support DisplayPort? Even if I need to spend double, for me it's worth it to get a good quality display that will display computer text and graphics clearly, causing me less eye strain. I'm looking at my monitor for most of the day, and a high quality display is one of the top priorities to keep me productive.

You probably had problems with image 'enhancement' features in the TV.

I run into this most times that i try to feed a HDMI signal into a TV from a PC. The picture looks great when playing a movie, but then when i show a windows desktop on it the picture looks horrible, it feels like i was connecting to the TV over a 20m long VGA cable. The TVs processing takes a pixel perfect image from HDMI and tries to make it 'more perfect'. If you are lucky then there might be a single menu option that turns off all processing on that input. If you are slightly less lucky you might have to turn like 5 different toggles and sliders to 0 and off. However with a lot of TVs i found that the sliders are actually 'turned off' somewhere in the middle. In that case i open up test patterns on the screen and adjust the sliders until the test patterns look correct. Once you find the correct settings you get a nice 1:1 image like on a desktop monitor.

The test patterns i like to use for it are these: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

EDIT:
Oh and the video upscalers in TVs have also gotten a lot better these days. So feeding a 1080p image into a 4K TV does make it upscale pretty nicely with sharp text rather than making it fuzzy and blocky.

[AaronLee]

Well, when I'm in the market for another monitor, I'll have to revisit the current state of TVs and see if I can find one suitable that won't process the computer image and make it worse.

As for anyone who doesn't want a smart TV, shouldn't it be as simple as not connecting the TV or setting anything up regarding connectivity to make it a normal non-smart TV? If smart TVs are the new norm, then the same with computer monitors, the non-smart TVs will not be as popular, and could even become more expensive than smart TVs. With the last monitor I bought, I discovered that the curved screen monitors were significantly cheaper than flat screens, simply because most of the market for monitors these days is for gamers, of which I'm not one, and find curved screen monitors extremely annoying to the point of almost being unusable.

[Bud]

It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

[AaronLee]

It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

But a kill switch will only work if the TV is connected to something. If you never setup the TV to connect to the outside world, they can't trigger the kill switch. Unless for some ridiculous reason they require connection before it's even used.

[tom66]

It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

But a kill switch will only work if the TV is connected to something. If you never setup the TV to connect to the outside world, they can't trigger the kill switch. Unless for some ridiculous reason they require connection before it's even used.

Which I doubt they will get away with because there are some number of customers buying a TV as just a terrestrial device. 
Maybe they can send packets on spare space in DVB-T or whatever SA uses?  My old Panasonic TV received firmware updates for its freeview receiver that way.  They downloaded overnight.  No internet connection needed.   You could turn off the option though if you wanted.

[james_s]

The cost of theft is generally bourn by all the other consumers one way or another. Why people don't like connecting a TV to the internet I don't know, it's just another computer like the one on your desk or in your pocket.

Because it's common knowledge that virtually all TVs now are smart TVs and "smart" TVs are cheaper than regular TVs precisely because they spy on your viewing habbits and harvest valuable data which is sold to marketers for a profit behind your back. Some of them even have ads now that are displayed within the interface of the TV, regardless of where the content is coming from. The whole world feels saturated with ads to the point that I hate ads so much, and I hate products that I see as a Trojan horse designed to deliver more ads. Also the "smart" aspect is usually pretty terrible, just barely adequate when it's brand new and then within just a few years it isn't getting updated anymore and features stop working. Speaking of updates, that brings its own problem. I still remember one of the first times I ever played with a "smart" TV, I was at my friend's place and we turned it on to watch something and it needed to update, must have taken 20 minutes just to get it through all that by which point I'd forgotten what we were going to watch. It's just stupid and I don't trust any of these companies at all, so I refuse to connect a TV to the internet. It isn't "just another computer", it's a black box, I can't see what it's doing and I can't control what it's doing, and the features it provides me are easily replicated by a box that I CAN seen inside. The choice is simple.

[james_s]

Do you mean they don't sell non-smart TVs anymore? I wouldn't know because I'm with Simon, and I don't even own a TV nor have researched the current TV market for a very long time. TVs don't make for good computer monitors, so the only TV-like devices I buy are real computer monitors.

Generally speaking, no, they don't, not above a certain size. Even if you have no interest in owning one, go look at the offerings larger than about 32", try to find even one that is just a regular TV, I bet you won't find one. Yes you can buy commercial monitors but they are very expensive relative to consumer TVs due to being a low volume niche item and the fact that smart TVs are subsidized by the data they gather on you. No manufacture tells you that's why they want you to connect it to the internet but it is, the only business reason the smart feature exists is to spy on you, the features it offers are to entice you to connect it.

[Simon]

Ah, that all new things must be bad thing. Yes the world is saturated with adds because people won't pay for stuff.

Lets see
how many here have youtube premium? thought so,
how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

The world runs on adds because people don't like paying for stuff, but then they will bitch about how these evil bastards are "tracking us".

[james_s]

Ah, that all new things must be bad thing. Yes the world is saturated with adds because people won't pay for stuff.

Lets see
how many here have youtube premium? thought so,
how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

The world runs on adds because people don't like paying for stuff, but then they will bitch about how these evil bastards are "tracking us".

The world is saturated with ads because they are a side effect of capitalism, a system that I generally like but the ads are definitely a downside, and there are way, way too many of them. The problem is that it becomes an arms race with ads getting more and more annoying trying to rise above the noise floor as people get more and more annoyed trying to tune them out, which makes the ads get louder and more intrusive.

No I don't have youtube premium, I don't wish to support that evil company, yes I have an ad blocker, no I don't tolerate pre-roll ads, and no I don't give a damn about the ethics argument. Are you going to complain if I change the TV channel when a commercial comes on? I'm such a freeloading bastard because I dare to turn down the radio or change the station when they start playing ads, I throw the junkmail from my mailbox straight into the recycle bin before I come into the house too, sue me, I don't care. Do you want me to let the ads roll so it gets counted as a view and the company has to pay for a view by a person who is not going to buy their product? What is the point? Isn't it better that I save the bandwidth and save them the cost of advertising to a person that is not going to result in a sale?

When ads are not intrusive they don't bother me but ads got more and more and more intrusive and eventually I said ENOUGH and fought back, and now I just don't care. Ads are irrelevant to me, I so rarely buy anything new and what I do buy I research carefully, if anything ads make me LESS likely to buy something. I would think that advertisers would have the sense to realize that there are a percentage of people like me who are just not interested, and the more they try to push in my face the less interested I will become. They should focus on advertising to people who are likely to be swayed, not the people who have clearly said "no! piss off!".

Remember the pop-up plague of the early 2000's? The animated banner ads that played loud sound? That is what pushed me to get an ad blocker, before that when it was just banner ads I didn't really mind and ignored them. Once the ads got obnoxious and pushed me to block them I started blocking the banner ads too because now I could and I was annoyed. Sorry but this is totally the fault of the advertising industry, not me. They chose not to respect me so I choose not to respect them. This is their doing, entirely.

[MrMobodies]

Ah, that all new things must be bad thing. Yes the world is saturated with adds because people won't pay for stuff.

Lets see
how many here have youtube premium? thought so,
how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

The world runs on adds because people don't like paying for stuff, but then they will bitch about how these evil bastards are "tracking us".

Well I use Youtube a lot and pay for Premium. I do use adblock/ublock but not for adverts. I just turn remove the filter lists that come with it. I find many of them are behaved now and don't do stuff outside their banner space and a report button on the side of the advert. I'll only block them they are in a fixed position and that goes for any fixed widget or toolbar but there's the FixedHeaderHiderFixer of sticlyducky extension to deal with those.

The elements on this list (non advert stuff) is what I use with Adblock to hide:
Web UI annoyances Suggestions/page dimming overlays/spinners/animated skeleton placeholder blocklist
https://pastebin.com/sCrFH1Rc

Dimming overlays (eye hurters) behind dialogues when possible, website preloading overlays (that covers up the contents for a couple of seconds), excessive loading spinners, animated skeleton placeholders (that I find slow the page down on page load), gradients behind video player controls that don't just stop up to it but extend and cover up nearly half of picture when trying to pause/seek and look at stuff in the background or just on mouse hover and many other visually annoying stuff slapped over what I am trying to look at in piece.

Now with the tracking cookies (showing stuff you looked at on other sites) that's not a problem for me.
I just set different profiles with shortcuts to isolate them.

I hear people often moan about tracking on their phones but when want to do everything on their phones and I said with a desktop/laptop they can have so much more control on these sorts of things like I do.

It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

If the power supply backlight don't go first where it may cost more than what it's worth. I have read about some Samsung TV backlights leds failing after 3 to 4 years and I got one here I'm looking at now, poor ventilation, signs of overheating and around the power supply, some led's not coming and some appearing loose affecting the whole string's I'd have to see when I power the whole board strip up later.

Me, now I'd want to buy the screen/monitor without any tuner or anything apart from inputs and put my own equipment with it so they can't firmware brick it when they like.

When I last brought a television in a shop many many years ago I remember putting my hand on the back to see how hot they got and to check if had adequate ventilation on there and they still work fine today.

[NiHaoMike]

how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

Mix these two on separate devices, the first on a good device and the second on a cheap/old device. You watch without ads while the second device plays ads out of view. You get the ad free experience, they still get the ad "views". Or that can be done using "ad hiders"/"stealth adblockers" like AdNauseam. The tradeoff is that by its very nature, hiding the ads won't stop tracking, although some inject fake data to impede tracking.

[james_s]

I would argue that hiding ads is less ethical than blocking them. By hiding ads you are causing the advertiser to be charged for a false view. By blocking them nobody is getting charged, someone is getting content "for free" but the content was always free, in hopes that it would draw people in to see the ads. You're never going to get a 100% rate, and most of the people who do see the ads still won't result in a sale, that's just business. The best way to ensure that people see ads is to present them with ads that are non intrusive, not obnoxious, not excessively loud, not scammy, not laden with viruses or malware, and not so excessively frequent that they spoil the content.

I used to actually watch broadcast TV years ago, there were always ads but for the most part they didn't bother me too much. Then at some point they started getting louder and more frequent, and a significant number of them became so abstract that they just did not resonate with me at all. It eventually got so bad that I just hit my threshold and cut the cord, I switched from watching TV to buying the shows I want on DVD, with no ads. I later ripped all of my discs onto a Plex server and use that for TV, again with no ads. Ads have become so obnoxious that I just ran out of patience, I'm done, I'm accustomed to streaming what I want when I want without being interrupted by ads and I'm never going to go back. The cat is out of the bag.

[amyk]

It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

But a kill switch will only work if the TV is connected to something. If you never setup the TV to connect to the outside world, they can't trigger the kill switch. Unless for some ridiculous reason they require connection before it's even used.

I bet the kill switch is only in the smart part. Any cheap universal scaler board will make the panel work again.

[james_s]

I bet the kill switch is only in the smart part. Any cheap universal scaler board will make the panel work again.

Probably true, but remember the demographic of the typical retail store looter, these are not going to be engineers for the most part, they are mostly petty criminals. If they were smart enough to modify a stolen TV, they'd be able to get a job and just buy a TV legally. This tactic doesn't have to be flawless, but it costs almost nothing to implement and it will deal with the low hanging fruit.

Perhaps a GPS receiver that surreptitiously activates in a stolen set and broadcasts the location would be more effective, but that would probably backfire as soon as somebody knowledgeable gets inside the TV and discovers the secret tracking device and makes assumptions. Less chance of backlash by just disabling confirmed stolen devices.

[NiHaoMike]

I would argue that hiding ads is less ethical than blocking them. By hiding ads you are causing the advertiser to be charged for a false view. By blocking them nobody is getting charged, someone is getting content "for free" but the content was always free, in hopes that it would draw people in to see the ads.

The ads that are annoying enough to need blocking arguably would cause the viewer to *not* buy what's being advertised.

[Simon]

Adverts are always going to be around but the insane amount is tiresome but often neccessary. Who would pay for facebook? how many would rather not have adds. I just don't bother to use it.

Isn't anyone old enough here to remember the internet before adverts? I am, it was great, the internet was a place full of content. Then the adds came along and look an the cess pit it is now. How many sites exist just for the add revenue? tons, try googling any product and just look at the number of results for sites that claim to tell you about the top 10 of a product in 2021 or the year before if they have not made another senseless page of dribble yet with promoted links to amazon. Often these pages themselves are advertised.

The add system has gone from being sensible adds to walls of crap that make up 50% of some sites.

But then who does not want free stuff? no such thing as free. I was highly irritated when my brother in law made us all get signal because of the changes to whattsapp. Yet he still has facebook and gave signal no donations. It's a race to the bottom these days.

[james_s]

The ads that are annoying enough to need blocking arguably would cause the viewer to *not* buy what's being advertised.

Well that's all of them for me. I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw an ad for anything I was actually interested in buying, and I don't even remember the last ad I saw because even if I do see it (such as using youtube on my phone) I mentally tune it out because it's just noise. As I said before, I don't really buy a lot of stuff, I'm not a typical consumer at all. When I do buy something it's because I have already identified a need and go searching for a product, research and read reviews, or if it's an emergency I go to the store and see what they have in stock, look it over and make a choice. Most people buy a lot more random stuff than I do, I mostly buy used, that stuff isn't advertised. Unless you have great deals on interesting surplus items you are wasting your time advertising to me, and if you do advertise, your prices are probably higher than I'm interested in paying because advertising costs a lot of money.

[james_s]

Adverts are always going to be around but the insane amount is tiresome but often neccessary. Who would pay for facebook? how many would rather not have adds. I just don't bother to use it.

Isn't anyone old enough here to remember the internet before adverts? I am, it was great, the internet was a place full of content. Then the adds came along and look an the cess pit it is now. How many sites exist just for the add revenue? tons, try googling any product and just look at the number of results for sites that claim to tell you about the top 10 of a product in 2021 or the year before if they have not made another senseless page of dribble yet with promoted links to amazon. Often these pages themselves are advertised.

The add system has gone from being sensible adds to walls of crap that make up 50% of some sites.

But then who does not want free stuff? no such thing as free. I was highly irritated when my brother in law made us all get signal because of the changes to whattsapp. Yet he still has facebook and gave signal no donations. It's a race to the bottom these days.

I used the internet for the first time in 1996 and there were ads even back then, but they were non-intrusive like the banner ad in this forum. Speaking of that banner ad it is the only online ad I can recall that I have not bothered to block because it is not intrusive, it just sits there, and it is typically for test gear which is at least borderline relevant to my interests. That said, it is still wasted on me because I have zero justification for buying new test gear, there is a virtually 0% chance that it's going to result in a sale no matter how many times I see that Keysight banner.

I never minded paying for things, for many years I subscribed to several electronics magazines. Unfortunately some of the better ones went out of publication, EPE was still very good but the paper copy was exorbitantly expensive in the US so I subscribed to the digital version. Then they changed to some DRM encumbered mess called Pocketmags that I was never able to even get working so I gave up and let my subscription expire. I kept getting Nuts & Volts for several years but I realized I was getting about 5 minutes of interesting reading when a new issue arrived and the projects were often of low quality hacked together "maker" stuff or just of no interest to me and I finally let it expire. The magazines just couldn't compete with the plethora of interesting projects published online for free. I used to pay for cable TV too but it started getting more and more ads despite the fact I was paying for it, and then all the channels got those stupid logos floating in the corner that never go away, and even animated ad banners with sound that pop up and obstruct what I'm trying to watch, then of course the flood of all that "reality" garbage. They broadcasters cheapened the content to the point that it was no longer worth watching and I cut the cord and never looked back.

A lot of people early on decided that everything on the internet could be free and supported by ads though so everyone just developed a mentality expecting things to be free. It's going to be extremely hard to reverse this because unlike the physical world, it is almost zero effort to shop around online. If I'm in Home Depot and find something I like but I know I can buy it cheaper at Lowes I have to factor in the cost in fuel and time to drive from one store to another. If I'm online looking at something on Amazon and I see it cheaper on ebay, it costs me nothing to just hop over to ebay. If I see a teaser for an interesting sounding news article and it takes me to a paywall, I can almost always just search for the headline and find the same article or another similar article on the same topic somewhere free.

[NiHaoMike]

I wonder if the Internet might largely go back to the P2P model. Nowadays, it's cheaper than ever to run your own server with cheap, low power platforms like Raspberry Pi.

[Gary350z]

Quote from: Berni on September 08, 2021, 10:12:14 pm
"the various apps like youtube..."

Quote from: eti on September 08, 2021, 10:51:30 pm
"The "smart" TV manufacturers are NOTORIOUS for abandoning their shitty products..."

Several years ago I got an email from Sony saying they will turn off the YouTube app on my fairly new Sony TV on a specific date.
That date arrives, and no more YouTube.
I paid for that function, and they just delete it.
So I had to go buy an external box (which turned out to be better).

[james_s]

The annoying thing is that youtube has not really changed noticeably in at least a decade (that aspect I like) but the amount of CPU power required to play the video has increased greatly to the point that old PCs and devices that used to stream youtube just fine no longer can. That part I don't like. I doubt there are any early generation smart TVs that can still stream youtube.

[MrMobodies]

The add system has gone from being sensible adds to walls of crap that make up 50% of some sites.

I have seen some websites doing the spammy things (not the adverts themselves) with the placements of the adverts like a few putting them in a fixed position over the contents, making them appear all of a sudden over the contents with offers and some dim the background and cutting me off which I find down right rude and insulting (not so much the dialogue in itself but the dimming)

I remembered Sky news some years ago putting the same advert at either sides of the page and saw other sites doing it for while making them flash at the same time, also in a fixed position when they could just leave in absolute positioning allowing it to scroll inline with the rest of the page like 20 years ago and put many more underneath where they'd have a better chance of me clicking something of interest instead banking their hopes on two large pf the same distracting banners thinking that would appeal to me.

I have seen a lot of clickbait looking stuff on and news websites starting a few years ago but now I know what to avoid when I suspect a link with a thumbnail what looks to me like a stock photo and I remember too many times leading something like questionnaires,  survey's and offers "This item has taken the UK by surprise."

The annoying thing is that youtube has not really changed noticeably in at least a decade (that aspect I like) but the amount of CPU power required to play the video has increased greatly to the point that old PCs and devices that used to stream youtube just fine no longer can. That part I don't like. I doubt there are any early generation smart TVs that can still stream youtube.

Is this like playing 1 - 4k video or with just 360/480p.

My old quad core laptop manages 1k/1448p video just fine which is good enough for me.

I find the Youtube elements below is what really slows the page load down and when I hover the cursor over the thumbnails they start playing really fast which is not something I want. I find it looks a lot better hiding the UI decorations and other crap I don't to see but "Allow Acceptable Ads" if using ABP must be unticked or it seems to ignore some of them.

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Do you find the Youtube pages load a bit quicker hiding the above elements?

Several years ago I got an email from Sony saying they will turn off the YouTube app on my fairly new Sony TV on a specific date.
That date arrives, and no more YouTube.
I paid for that function, and they just delete it.
So I had to go buy an external box (which turned out to be better).

I wonder what would have happen if you set system updates and "app" updates off would the "app" still be there even if it stopped working?

If I had one of those and say I managed prevent it from deleting the app and found it still worked fine with Youtube way past that date I'd be furious to the fact it is intended that I have no control over it, they betrayed my trust* (see below), they can do what they like and I'd feel the television never belonged to me in the first place.

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00113306

Sony and Google will be *providing you with important updates for your TV, including key features and applications as well as bug fixes and performance enhancements  . *We strongly recommend leaving this setting to ON.

It would have been nice to say why they are removing the "app"  whether it is a technical limitation or so.

[IDEngineer]

Two recent changes I've seen to ad presentation that are definite pet peeves:

1) They cleverly compose the page such that the "Next Page" button is below an ad which doesn't render to its full size at first. When you move the pointer to click to the next page, the ad suddenly renders which pushes the button down the page, and you end up clicking on the ad. Happens far too often, on far too many different sites, to be an accident. Technically clever but infuriating.

2) Some sites now seem to have a "master" hyperlink that is activated no matter which link on the page is clicked, and of course it takes you to an ad site. Back-arrowing to the original page then lets you click on the actual links.