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james_s:

--- Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2021, 08:50:51 pm ---Ah, that all new things must be bad thing. Yes the world is saturated with adds because people won't pay for stuff.

Lets see
how many here have youtube premium? thought so,
how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

The world runs on adds because people don't like paying for stuff, but then they will bitch about how these evil bastards are "tracking us".

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The world is saturated with ads because they are a side effect of capitalism, a system that I generally like but the ads are definitely a downside, and there are way, way too many of them. The problem is that it becomes an arms race with ads getting more and more annoying trying to rise above the noise floor as people get more and more annoyed trying to tune them out, which makes the ads get louder and more intrusive.

No I don't have youtube premium, I don't wish to support that evil company, yes I have an ad blocker, no I don't tolerate pre-roll ads, and no I don't give a damn about the ethics argument. Are you going to complain if I change the TV channel when a commercial comes on? I'm such a freeloading bastard because I dare to turn down the radio or change the station when they start playing ads, I throw the junkmail from my mailbox straight into the recycle bin before I come into the house too, sue me, I don't care. Do you want me to let the ads roll so it gets counted as a view and the company has to pay for a view by a person who is not going to buy their product? What is the point? Isn't it better that I save the bandwidth and save them the cost of advertising to a person that is not going to result in a sale?

When ads are not intrusive they don't bother me but ads got more and more and more intrusive and eventually I said ENOUGH and fought back, and now I just don't care. Ads are irrelevant to me, I so rarely buy anything new and what I do buy I research carefully, if anything ads make me LESS likely to buy something. I would think that advertisers would have the sense to realize that there are a percentage of people like me who are just not interested, and the more they try to push in my face the less interested I will become. They should focus on advertising to people who are likely to be swayed, not the people who have clearly said "no! piss off!".

Remember the pop-up plague of the early 2000's? The animated banner ads that played loud sound? That is what pushed me to get an ad blocker, before that when it was just banner ads I didn't really mind and ignored them. Once the ads got obnoxious and pushed me to block them I started blocking the banner ads too because now I could and I was annoyed. Sorry but this is totally the fault of the advertising industry, not me. They chose not to respect me so I choose not to respect them. This is their doing, entirely.

MrMobodies:

--- Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2021, 08:50:51 pm ---Ah, that all new things must be bad thing. Yes the world is saturated with adds because people won't pay for stuff.

Lets see
how many here have youtube premium? thought so,
how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

The world runs on adds because people don't like paying for stuff, but then they will bitch about how these evil bastards are "tracking us".

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Well I use Youtube a lot and pay for Premium. I do use adblock/ublock but not for adverts. I just turn remove the filter lists that come with it. I find many of them are behaved now and don't do stuff outside their banner space and a report button on the side of the advert. I'll only block them they are in a fixed position and that goes for any fixed widget or toolbar but there's the FixedHeaderHiderFixer of sticlyducky extension to deal with those.

The elements on this list (non advert stuff) is what I use with Adblock to hide:
Web UI annoyances Suggestions/page dimming overlays/spinners/animated skeleton placeholder blocklist
https://pastebin.com/sCrFH1Rc

Dimming overlays (eye hurters) behind dialogues when possible, website preloading overlays (that covers up the contents for a couple of seconds), excessive loading spinners, animated skeleton placeholders (that I find slow the page down on page load), gradients behind video player controls that don't just stop up to it but extend and cover up nearly half of picture when trying to pause/seek and look at stuff in the background or just on mouse hover and many other visually annoying stuff slapped over what I am trying to look at in piece.

Now with the tracking cookies (showing stuff you looked at on other sites) that's not a problem for me.
I just set different profiles with shortcuts to isolate them.

I hear people often moan about tracking on their phones but when want to do everything on their phones and I said with a desktop/laptop they can have so much more control on these sorts of things like I do.


--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2021, 11:50:57 am ---It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

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If the power supply backlight don't go first where it may cost more than what it's worth. I have read about some Samsung TV backlights leds failing after 3 to 4 years and I got one here I'm looking at now, poor ventilation, signs of overheating and around the power supply, some led's not coming and some appearing loose affecting the whole string's I'd have to see when I power the whole board strip up later.

Me, now I'd want to buy the screen/monitor without any tuner or anything apart from inputs and put my own equipment with it so they can't firmware brick it when they like.

When I last brought a television in a shop many many years ago I remember putting my hand on the back to see how hot they got and to check if had adequate ventilation on there and they still work fine today.

NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2021, 08:50:51 pm ---how many here have and add blocker? Ah yes, you useless free loading bastards,
how many here just let the adds roll - fair play, you will give away your time so that you don't have to pay for shit, your time cannot be worth much.

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Mix these two on separate devices, the first on a good device and the second on a cheap/old device. You watch without ads while the second device plays ads out of view. You get the ad free experience, they still get the ad "views". Or that can be done using "ad hiders"/"stealth adblockers" like AdNauseam. The tradeoff is that by its very nature, hiding the ads won't stop tracking, although some inject fake data to impede tracking.
james_s:
I would argue that hiding ads is less ethical than blocking them. By hiding ads you are causing the advertiser to be charged for a false view. By blocking them nobody is getting charged, someone is getting content "for free" but the content was always free, in hopes that it would draw people in to see the ads. You're never going to get a 100% rate, and most of the people who do see the ads still won't result in a sale, that's just business. The best way to ensure that people see ads is to present them with ads that are non intrusive, not obnoxious, not excessively loud, not scammy, not laden with viruses or malware, and not so excessively frequent that they spoil the content.

I used to actually watch broadcast TV years ago, there were always ads but for the most part they didn't bother me too much. Then at some point they started getting louder and more frequent, and a significant number of them became so abstract that they just did not resonate with me at all. It eventually got so bad that I just hit my threshold and cut the cord, I switched from watching TV to buying the shows I want on DVD, with no ads. I later ripped all of my discs onto a Plex server and use that for TV, again with no ads. Ads have become so obnoxious that I just ran out of patience, I'm done, I'm accustomed to streaming what I want when I want without being interrupted by ads and I'm never going to go back. The cat is out of the bag.
amyk:

--- Quote from: AaronLee on September 09, 2021, 11:56:29 am ---
--- Quote from: Bud on September 09, 2021, 11:50:57 am ---It was not clear to which extent Samsung's kill switch works. Maybe it disables the entire thing so you cant use it even as a monitor.

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But a kill switch will only work if the TV is connected to something. If you never setup the TV to connect to the outside world, they can't trigger the kill switch. Unless for some ridiculous reason they require connection before it's even used.

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I bet the kill switch is only in the smart part. Any cheap universal scaler board will make the panel work again.
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