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pdenisowski:
--- Quote from: Infraviolet on October 27, 2023, 04:07:04 pm ---So, by having an LLM "assist"in writing paper they can now ever more closely resemble existing papers, which are already mostly so badly written as to be unintelligible
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:-DD
I did two Master's degrees in very different fields (Germanic Languages and Electrical Engineering) and in both fields a certain "academic language style" is expected in order for a paper (or presentation / lecture) to be taken seriously.
One has to wonder how long it will be until someone trains an LLM in the "academic" style for a given language. It would be interesting to perform a sort of Turning test in which an LLM generates an "academic" paper that cannot be distinguished from one natively written by an academic.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on October 27, 2023, 06:19:11 pm ---One has to wonder how long it will be until someone trains an LLM in the "academic" style for a given language.
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Don't give them ideas!
Joking aside, I bet there is more than one aspiring company doing just that, with the intent of renting the use of the resulting LLM to academics.
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on October 27, 2023, 06:19:11 pm ---It would be interesting to perform a sort of Turning test in which an LLM generates an "academic" paper that cannot be distinguished from one natively written by an academic.
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Many "troll" papers written with the express idea of containing nothing meaningful but having all the necessary buzzwords have gotten published..
Let's be honest: what such a paper would test, would be the time and effort a reviewer is going to put into verifying the references, claims, and results in an article. My sympathy goes to reviewers who get burdened with such tests.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 27, 2023, 06:48:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on October 27, 2023, 06:19:11 pm ---One has to wonder how long it will be until someone trains an LLM in the "academic" style for a given language.
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Don't give them ideas!
Joking aside, I bet there is more than one aspiring company doing just that, with the intent of renting the use of the resulting LLM to academics.
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Of course. This is currently a gigantic pool of opportunities. Everyone and their sister is going to try and tap into the goldmine, in all imaginable fields. Yes, probably even with toilets.
thm_w:
--- Quote from: hans on October 26, 2023, 04:46:56 pm ---Personally I do think there there is some place for language tools in writing, but I don't think its AI. I don't want an AI that helps me with signposts and jargon; thats going to end terribly. Grammar, spelling, is perhaps more useful.. but those tools already exists, and we still have papers full of mistakes (although not every mistake makes them invaluable). So if any, I agree, its not going to change for the better with AI.. but I don't think it will end in disaster neither.
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The fact that papers with spelling mistakes exist does not really add anything for or against the argument, IMO. Its like saying code analysis tools exist but people still write code with known bugs. More people should be using the tools no?
mendip_discovery:
I am somone who dislikes writing, and I find it hard to write about subjects for several thousand words. I can talk about a subject for ages, I'm just not that good at getting stuff down on paper.
Part of my University course I had to write a dissertation and it was somthing I really struggled with. If there was a LLM that I could have used I think I might have been tempted to help me write coherent sections as I have a habbit of rambling and repeating myself, ideas come in faster than I can write them and by the time I am half way through the paragraph I have lost what I was thinking of writing.
I dont think I would have an issue if people were to use it to help with making sure that the sentence makes sense or to help clear up a document to make it clearer and more concise. But like with any tool there will be some that abuse it and that is what will ruin the use of it.
I did wonder if requesting that documents that have made use of a LLM, have to state they used one and which one. As they are partly the writer of the document.
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