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| NiHaoMike:
Isn't there a similar problem for airline pilots on long flights when the autopilot is flying? |
| david77:
I don't see self driving cars materialising in a big way any time soon. It's like AI and nuclear fusion: Marketing hype. It's much more probable that the era of individual transport will be largely over (relatively) soon. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 21, 2022, 05:43:41 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on April 21, 2022, 03:47:27 pm ---The driver is responsible for adhering to the traffic laws. I wonder how that would play out if the self driving system is 'responsible'. Think about speeding tickets. With the insurance company being liable for the self driving system, it would also mean that they would need to pay parking and speeding tickets. All in all it seems much more logical to me to have the driver liable for any traffic law violations. After all it is the driver who chooses to enable the self driving system. --- End quote --- Technically, yes. The driver is the responsible person here too. But practically you can't expect a human to remain alert and on the ball when he's traveled for 2 hours doing absolutely nothing at all. So you might then suggest that where the human has handed over control to a certified (because it will need to be) automated system, that system is reasonably in control. And the responsible entity for making sure it works is the manufacturer. But I can't see any manufacturer selling stuff if they're going to face serious charges for anything and everything that goes on. Insurance companies, OTOH, can be engaged by the manufacturer and the driver, and they'll be able to price in the cost of being the responsible entity. Further, they can refuse to insure where they think it's a bum deal, which would have the effect of removing dodgy stuff/people from the market/road without any lengthy court cases. --- End quote --- I can follow that logic but it makes me wonder: what about speeding tickets? And what in case the car isn't insured (I know cars should be insured by law but there are still situations where people drive around without insurance)? |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---what about speeding tickets? --- End quote --- That's a good question. The other day I dropped into a 50 limit (from a 70) and reset my cruise control, except that on this vehicle the control operates the opposite way to my other vehicle. Instead of setting the new speed to 50 it reverted to the previously set 70 and shot up above the limit before I realised. Could I have argued in court that I hadn't intended to speed, and although I was notionally in control the vehicle didn't respond appropriately to my reasonable command? (Yes, I know it was my fault for giving the wrong command, but I could argue about intention and reasonable confusion.) Currently I believe I would get the nick, but there must be some point at which a competent person is reasonably unable to affect the result. Do they still get nicked anyway, or where is that point? |
| vad:
I would rather focus on manufacturer’s liability. In USA there is no liability limit, and no insurance company would be able to protect self-driven car manufacturer from enormous claims. A successful class action following several fatal accidents would be able to bring any self-driven car maker to the brink of bankruptcy. |
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