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jpanhalt:

--- Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 22, 2022, 04:25:32 am ---Isn't there a similar problem for airline pilots on long flights when the autopilot is flying?

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I am only familiar with US FAA rules.  We have 3 categories: Scheduled airlines, Private and charter (i.e., "General Aviation"), and Military.

Large scheduled airliners are highly integrated.  I learned recently, for example, that in landing, the pilot cannot control some functions like braking and reverse thrust if the radar altimeter and/or some other electronic functions do not work.  There was a recent example on a transcontinental flight to Paris.  Plane was in good shape, but something was wrong with the automatic landing system(s), and the pilots had to declare an emergency.  Add, of course the 737 MAX disasters of a couple of years ago.  Boeing has that liability.  My take was that I don't want to fly in any airplane where having the pilots in control is an emergency. ;)

In smaller GA aircraft, the pilot is responsible.  Sure, the manufacturers get sued too, but the FAA assigns blame on the pilot(s) regardless of the autopilot.  (Some large aircraft used for scheduled service are also flown under GA rules.)   It is not uncommon to see an accident report with the conclusion that the pilot failed to maintain a safe altitude and/or airspeed.  As just one example, there was an incident in Southern California many years ago in which the ground radar controller vectored a small GA Beechcraft into a mountain.  The pilot was still blamed for not maintaining awareness of the terrain. 
Stray Electron:

--- Quote from: rstofer on April 21, 2022, 03:15:08 am ---The day will never come that I turn over driving my car to an AI.


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   This times 100,000!  IMO if the "rider" wants to go somewhere and doesn't want to "drive" then they should take a cab or a bus!

  The "Economic growth" and other arguments in favor of self driving vehicles are total BS IMO!  Well for everyone other than the lawyers that will be needed when the driverless vehicles start running people down..
Stray Electron:

--- Quote from: james_s on April 21, 2022, 08:52:42 pm ---

Yes for me the whole point in owning a car, especially a relatively high performance car is that I get to drive it myself. I drove a Tesla Y for a bit and it was a blast. Fastest car I've ever driven.

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  I've never looked at one and don't know a lot about them buy my brother in law just ordered a model Y and he usually knows what he's doing.

     And I completely agree that being able DRIVE is the complete point of owning any car. I would absolutely HATE living in any big city where car ownership and/or driving was impossible.
CatalinaWOW:
This thread illustrates the dominance of emotion over logic in discussions of this topic.  Specifically the arguments about liability for speeding tickets when in self driving mode. 

In my mind there is only a very minor argument here.  In general, in self driving mode the car should never speed.  There are only two reasons I can think of for this not being the case.  First, if the vendor of the software set it that way.  In which case liability is obvious and indisputable.  The second case is if the speed limit has changed and the database available to the self driving software is not updated.  Liability here could be disputable, but this is relatively uncommon (and also likely to trip up a human driver).
eugene:
When driving is outlawed, only outlaws will drive cars.

That's a joke, meant to highlight the lunacy and paranoia. Nobody has even hinted that driving will be outlawed in the foreseeable future.
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