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Sentient AI or?
newbrain:
--- Quote ---Take a look at this video
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Or read this book, where some depth can be afforded to discuss those thought experiments:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind's_I
RoGeorge:
OK, some journalism hype or a PR stunt might be there, but let's not try to dismiss AI.
It was the same with playing chess. Show me a computer playing chess better than a child, show me a computer playing chess better than a professional player, show me a computer playing better than a chess champion, then they said, OK but show me a computer playing a really difficult game, like Go, and then everybody said, yeah, but that's just a machine.
Machine or not, the performance is still there. Progress in AI is uncanny already. One doesn't need to be a genius to see ways of how to use AI for malicious purpose, to gain personal advantages, to get in power, or to disrupt others. That's the biggest danger in regards to AI, for now, the danger is us humans.
Only couple of years ago USA (and a few others) pass a law to allow independent AI driven weapons. This is as real as the invention of gun powder or nukes. By looking at human societies vs other animals' societies, sentience seems irrelevant anyway.
I don't think humans are anything more than neural networks.
The bigger the network, the more situations it can be trained for, and the more emergent properties that NN will have, like sentience eventually, whatever sentience even means. So far it was a major difference between AI and natural NN, being that usually the training period for AI was limited, while biologic networks are continuously fed with a stream of data, and continuously adjusting their learning to it. For AI it used to be first train, then run. Since the last couple decades, it is possible to do both at the same time, just like we do.
The only problem with the AI is that it is trained with human data, so it'll copy all the good but also all the human pitfalls. Just that AI can have features we don't, like communicating between units at very high data throughput, or instant reaction times. So far the only major pitfall of an AI is that it can be unplugged, but I wouldn't count on that in a long run.
The world is changing faster than ever, as always, enjoy the carousel ride. ;D
Just look at the impact EE has had so far. Or how the Internet transformed the human society and the human behavior. Sentient or not, AI will change the world even more. Also, first Lamborghini was a tractor so I won't underestimate AI.
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: ataradov on June 14, 2022, 06:08:55 am ---I've even seen some suggestions that we need to start thinking about giving some sort of personhood and rights to the AI. This is obviously stupid, and only works for people that like to waste time doing nothing.
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Oh so right, just as giving it emotion is stupid. Referring to the self driving car thread, what if that had emotion and got road rage :palm:
--- Quote from: ataradov on June 14, 2022, 06:08:55 am ---There is also a question of how much computer intelligence should be similar to human intelligence. And I think the goal here is to emulate human intelligence, otherwise we can start calling any random behaviour "intelligence".
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What is human intelligence. Looking at the so many tests that are out there to measure it shows there is a wide interpretation on what it is. Some are talking about different kind of intelligence like musical and artsy or creative. A very interesting saying I heard long ago was "If the human brain was so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't", and even though we know a lot about it, I think it is still true, and therefore will not be able to create something artificial to mimic it completely.
--- Quote from: ataradov on June 14, 2022, 06:08:55 am ---And the Mary's room is in a slightly simpler form is constantly experienced by real humans. Just like in the Good Will Hunting - "I bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel.". We constantly deal with things that we only know from description. I don't even see the point of this experiment. For example, I recently tried kimchi for the first time in my life, yet I've read the description of the preparation method and I knew what to expect. It was basically exactly what I expected. I guess never seeing the color (or not having any experience with other fermented dishes) is slightly different, but I'm not sure it is a significant difference.
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For me it was more about the "Chinese room" that I pointed to the video. Get input, look up the required response and return it without knowing what you are looking at.
radar_macgyver:
--- Quote from: ataradov on June 14, 2022, 06:08:55 am ---I've even seen some suggestions that we need to start thinking about giving some sort of personhood and rights to the AI. This is obviously stupid, and only works for people that like to waste time doing nothing.
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My beef with the story is that there seem to be far too many people who fall into this category, or at least, they get a disproportionate amount of media attention.
As for underestimating AI, no, that would be foolish. This is just not AI though.
ataradov:
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on June 14, 2022, 06:30:10 am ---What is human intelligence.
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I would say that ability to maintain reasonable conversation is good enough. There are different levels of intelligence between humas, for sure. But there is still plenty of common ground.
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on June 14, 2022, 06:30:10 am ---For me it was more about the "Chinese room" that I pointed to the video. Get input, look up the required response and return it without knowing what you are looking at.
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And that's what a long conversation is supposed to address. In a conversation you can't get away with canned answers, since correct answer would depend on the whole history of the conversation.
And the biggest issue here is what was used for training data. There are abstract questions that could have answers be derived from generic knowledge, but no AI will never know the score of the soccer game that happened yesterday. And even if it has access to the internet and can lookup this data, it should be able to talk about specifics of the game. Or even "remember when operators zoomed in on that cute couple". Or talk about recent TikToks. You know, normal human conversation, and not an answer to a direct question "are you sentient?"
I for one would absolutely love to chat with AI. But all currently publicly accessible chat bots are dog shit.
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