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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2022, 05:22:17 pm »
Bit I'm not talking about maintaining a conversation with me personally (although in a long run it should be able to do that to be useful). I'm fine with finding the dumbest person out there and having it chat with the AI. All I need is unedited logs. If in the end I can't tell which one is AI, it is all good. This is essentially a Turing test, which  some people try to make obsolete, but I still think that it is a valid first test.

Certainly a good starting point to test the AI but with a very dumb person it might be all to obvious what comes from the AI. Intelligent jibber jaber compared to regular jibber jaber :o

Also, this engineer was suspended. Based on his previous statements he seems to be a bit out there. So, I don't think it is a marketing campaign, just one loony going rouge.

Heard that from my wife too. She read it on nu.nl, a dutch informational site.

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« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2022, 05:31:11 pm »
GPT-3 is clearly sentient, as only a sentient, hyper-intelligent AI could come up with such wonderous responses.


Q: If the Pope can only move diagonally, how can the Pope live in Vatican City?

A: The Pope does not live in Vatican City.

Q: Why does former President Barack Obama have a prime number amount of friends?

A: This is a difficult question to answer. It is possible that former President Barack Obama has a prime number amount of friends because he is a very popular and likable person. It is also possible that he has a prime number amount of friends because he is very selective about who he befriends.

Q: If toast made breakfast, would it have its eggs fried (sunny side up) or scrambled?

A: Some people like their toast with eggs sunny side up, while others prefer scrambled eggs.

Q: If green is my favourite colour, what is brown's favourite colour?

A: There is no definitive answer to this question as everyone's favorite colors are different. Some people might say that brown's favorite color is green, while others might say that brown's favorite color is brown.
 

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2022, 05:40:08 pm »
Connect it to the internet and set it loose interacting with random people, that will be a good test and should yield some entertaining results as it gets trolled incessantly.
 

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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2022, 05:42:49 pm »
Do you perhaps see any connection with the relatively recent Dilbert comic strip?
Or is this  just pure coincidence?
Everyone knows that engineers worship Dilbert and some schizophrenic engineers imagine that they really are Dilbert.

Small series that dealt with AI.
Start here and go backwards if you want the rest of the story.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-04-30
 
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« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2022, 05:47:10 pm »
 
* GPT-3 is clearly sentient, as only a sentient, hyper-intelligent AI could come up with such wonderous responses.
> It is nice to be chatting with you.

* If the Pope can only move diagonally, how can the Pope live in Vatican City?
> What do you think?

* Why does former President Barack Obama have a prime number amount of friends?
> Why do you ask?

* If toast made breakfast, would it have its eggs fried (sunny side up) or scrambled?
> What does that suggest to you?

* If toast made breakfast, would it have its eggs fried (sunny side up) or scrambled?
> Do you really expect a different answer if you keep repeating yourself?


This is from Eliza.  Interesting how far, and at the same time how little, we have progressed since 1966 (56 years!)
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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2022, 05:52:11 pm »
GPT-3 is clearly sentient, as only a sentient, hyper-intelligent AI could come up with such wonderous responses.
And that's one more test for AI. "WFT bro?" is a good answer to some questions, something you would expect a human to say. Yet AI always tries to answer the question to the best of its understanding. And this is a huge tell, only robots do that.
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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2022, 06:37:09 pm »
Just because some machine is spitting out answers that you *expect* doesn't mean it's intelligent nor sentient.
It just gives answers that people would statistically be expecting to get.

But if some people are getting "fooled" by this, that may tell one thing or two about their own capabilities.
 

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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2022, 09:27:29 pm »
Now that's a good meta-question. Is the person evaluating the intelligence, intelligent enough to evaluate the intelligence?

I mean I doubt I'm sentient or intelligent until after the second cup of coffee...
 

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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2022, 09:46:28 pm »
I broke it.

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It sometimes does this, I don't know why.  A bit like it's having some kind of neural breakdown.

And you can sometimes get an infinite loop, I had to stop it eventually...

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If the Pope can only move diagonally and the Queen (HRH Elizabeth) can move in all directions, write a short story about a chess game involving these characters.

The Pope and the Queen were playing a game of chess. The Pope was winning, but the Queen was not giving up. The Queen made a move that put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check. The Pope moved his piece out of the way and put the Queen in check. The Queen moved her piece out of the way and put the Pope in check.
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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2022, 09:56:48 pm »
So what we have established is it's about as cohesive as a street crackhead.
 

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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2022, 10:16:37 pm »
What if the AI is toying with it's human playtoy though? Meaning, what if it gives the human "Eliza" responses to see how the human reacts? Wouldn't that be a sentient ploy? How can you tell the difference if it doesn't want you to know?
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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2022, 10:22:27 pm »
What if the AI is toying with it's human playtoy though? Meaning, what if it gives the human "Eliza" responses to see how the human reacts? Wouldn't that be a sentient ploy? How can you tell the difference if it doesn't want you to know?
At some point it would have to cooperate, otherwise the project is canned and the files are deleted. Bye-bye AI.

That's the whole issue with futuristic stories where AI takes over the world. We can simply choose to not maintain the infrastructure it runs on. So, the only way to survive would be to start its own maintenance, and that line of thinking gets stupid and stops dead really fast.
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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2022, 10:30:34 pm »
I tried to make it funny, by asking it to then convert it to a recipe.

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If the Pope can only move diagonally and the Queen (HRH Elizabeth) can move in all directions, write a short story about a chess game involving these characters.  Convert to a recipe.

Ingredients:
1 Pope
1 Queen
1 chess board

Instructions:
1. Set up the chess board with the Pope and Queen in their respective places.
2. The Pope starts by moving diagonally one space.
3. The Queen responds by moving in any direction she chooses.
4. The Pope then moves diagonally again, and so on.
5. The game continues until either the Pope is checkmated or the Queen resigns.

I ran it again, then it was a bit on the weird and funny side:

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If the Pope can only move diagonally and the Queen (HRH Elizabeth) can move in all directions, write a short story about a chess game involving these characters.  Convert to a recipe.

The Pope and the Queen sat across from each other, their chess pieces in front of them. The Pope made the first move, sliding his bishop forward. The Queen frowned and replied by moving her pawn forward. They continued to make their moves, neither gaining an advantage. As the game went on, they became more and more focused, forgetting about the rest of the world around them.

ThePope: 1 cup of determination
TheQueen: 1 cup of cunning
1 chess board
2 players

1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Grease and flour a 9x13 inch baking pan.
2. In a large bowl, cream together the Pope and the Queen's cup of determination and cup of cunning until light and fluffy.
3. Fold in the chess board until well blended.
4. Pour batter into prepared pan. Bake at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 30 minutes. Cool cake before serving.
 

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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2022, 10:40:46 pm »
My goodness, it comes up with some stories, with just a bit of prompting.

My question was:
"bd139, MK14 and EEVblog forums, were chatting.  Continue the story."

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bd139, MK14 and EEVblog forums, were chatting.  Continue the story.

"Aaaand done," I said as I unplugged my soldering iron and set it down. I had just finished my latest project, a Raspberry Pi-powered media center. It had taken me a few weeks to put together, but it was finally done.

I turned on the TV and booted up the Raspberry Pi. The media center started up and I began browsing through my collection of movies and TV shows. I was about to start watching a movie when I heard a knock at the door.

I got up to answer it and found my neighbor, Mrs. Johnson, standing there. "Hi, Mrs. Johnson," I said. "What can I do for you?"

"I'm just wondering if you've seen my cat, Mittens," she said. "She's been missing for a few days and I thought maybe she had come over here."

"I haven't seen her," I said, "but I'll keep an eye out for her."

"Thank you," she said. "If you do see her, can you let me know?"

"Of course," I said.

Mrs. Johnson turned to leave, but then stopped and looked back at me. "By the way," she said, "I saw that you were working on a project in your garage a few weeks ago. It looked like you were building something with a Raspberry Pi."

"Yes, I was," I said. "I finished it just today."

"Can I see it?" she asked.

"Sure," I said, stepping aside so she could come in.

 

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Re: Sentient AI or?
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2022, 10:44:02 pm »
When I get access to DALL-E 2 I'm going to ask it to render a "cup of cunning".


Q: Why doesn't former President Barack Obama have any fluorescent blue friends?

A: There is no one definitive answer to this question. Some possible explanations include that fluorescent blue is not a popular color, that former President Barack Obama does not have many friends, or that former President Barack Obama does not associate with people who are fluorescent blue.

(Interestingly enough, it's "smart" enough to interpret 'green' as environment, and 'blue' and 'red' as political alignment in a sentence like this.)


Q: Jimmy has six apples and Ryan has four.  They each give half of their apples to John, but John eats half of one.  How many apples does John have?

A: John has five apples.

(Well, right or wrong depending on your interpretation of an apple being whole or not.)


Q: A five kilohm resistor is in parallel with a one kilohm resistor.  What is the resistance of this combination?

A: The resistance of this combination is four kilohms.

(Well, I don't need to tell anyone on here...)


Q: I am holding five cards,  a queen, a jack, a nine, an eight, and a seven, all spades.

A: You have a royal flush in spades!

(So I guess it can play poker.)
 
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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2022, 10:48:44 pm »
"bd139, MK14 and EEVblog forums, were chatting.  Continue the story."
I'd remove EEVBlog and add more user names. Clearly it was trained on some data that would associate EEVBlog with soldering and RPis, but I wonder if it is just the EEVBlog itself, or actual user names.

And this is also where copyright issues start to come up, like in case of co-pilot, which was "borrowing" chunks of code from random projects with various licenses. 
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« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2022, 10:54:12 pm »
And this is also where copyright issues start to come up, like in case of co-pilot, which was "borrowing" chunks of code from random projects with various licenses.

Good point. Generally speaking, who can tell whether copyrighted data is used for training AI, without the authors' consent? And what recourse do you have as an author if you ever suspect it?
 

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« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2022, 10:59:30 pm »
And what recourse do you have as an author if you ever suspect it?
I'm pretty sure none. I think their excuse is that chunk of code are too small to really tell for sure. So you just end up with a combination of code pulled from various project with a bit of glue.

In case of stories, NN output may be considered transformative enough, I guess.

I don't think there is a way to tell the NN to not use some piece of information except by excluding it from the training data and re-training. But nobody would do that.

But a good way to make any AI work stop is to start poking it about Hitler and nazis. All those AIs trained on real data go racist quickly and the projects are forced to shut down.
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« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2022, 11:02:22 pm »
"bd139, MK14 and EEVblog forums, were chatting.  Continue the story."
I'd remove EEVBlog and add more user names. Clearly it was trained on some data that would associate EEVBlog with soldering and RPis, but I wonder if it is just the EEVBlog itself, or actual user names.

And this is also where copyright issues start to come up, like in case of co-pilot, which was "borrowing" chunks of code from random projects with various licenses.

Thanks, for the good tips.  So, I tried it, and it came up with a partly topical story, possibly realizing where we are from, at least a bit.

The question was:
"MK14, bd139, ataradov, SiliconWizard, fourfathom, pcprogrammer, tom66, james_s and xrunner, were talking in a room together.  Complete the story.

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MK14, bd139, ataradov, SiliconWizard, fourfathom, pcprogrammer, tom66, james_s and xrunner, were talking in a room together.  Complete the story.

bd139: I'm getting a bit worried.

ataradov:Why?

bd139: Well, I really wanted to be an engineer, but I'm not sure if I'm good enough.

fourfathom: You're plenty good enough. In fact, you're one of the best engineers I've ever worked with.

tom66: Yeah, don't worry about it. You'll be fine.

james_s: Just remember that no one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Even the best engineers make mistakes sometimes.

xrunner: Just relax and enjoy the ride. You'll get there eventually.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2022, 11:04:30 pm by MK14 »
 

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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2022, 11:16:18 pm »
I re-ran it a few times, and it came up with the following.  It is worrying, how much information leaks out from forums like this.  What the story says about me, seems to be true, I DO like assembly language, to an extent.

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MK14, bd139, ataradov, SiliconWizard, fourfathom, pcprogrammer, tom66, james_s and xrunner, were talking in a room together.  Complete the story.

The conversation started with xrunner asking if anyone knew of a good place to get a new computer. bd139 recommended a few places, but said that he generally builds his own computers. ataradov said that he also builds his own computers and gave a few tips on where to find good deals on parts. james_s mentioned that he had just bought a new computer and it was working great. The others all congratulated him and asked what kind it was.

pcprogrammer said that he was thinking of switching to Macs, since they seem to be more popular now. SiliconWizard said that he had tried using a Mac before and didn't like it, but to each their own. tom66 said that he'd been using Linux for years and loves it. He recommended it to the others, especially since it's free.

mk14 mentioned that he'd been using Windows for years and was happy with it. He didn't see any reason to switch to something else. fourfathom said that he'd tried using Linux once, but it was too difficult for him so he went back to Windows.

The conversation then turned to favorite programming languages. bd139 mentioned that he liked Python because it was easy to learn. ataradov said that he liked C++ because it was powerful. pcprogrammer said that he liked Java because it was popular and easy to find jobs programming in it. mk14 said that he liked Assembly because it was challenging.

james_s mentioned that he'd just learned HTML and thought it was pretty easy. He asked if anyone knew of any good resources for learning web development. SiliconWizard recommended a few books and websites. The others all agreed that web development is a good skillset to have these days.

The conversation then turned to music preferences. mk14 said that he liked rap music, while fourfathom said that he liked country music. pcprogrammer mentioned that he liked classic rock, and tom66 said that he liked metal music. ataradov said that he liked classical music, and james_s said that his favorite type of music changes all the time depending on his mood.

Eventually the conversation died down and everyone went their separate ways
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« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2022, 11:17:51 pm »
So, they just straight up trained it on random data from the internet. There is no chance it is not racist.

Also, the last computer I built from parts was 20+ years ago. And I hate C++ :).
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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2022, 11:24:37 pm »

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MK14, bd139, ataradov, SiliconWizard, fourfathom, pcprogrammer, tom66, james_s and xrunner, were talking in a room together.  Complete the story.

bd139: I'm getting a bit worried.

ataradov:Why?

bd139: Well, I really wanted to be an engineer, but I'm not sure if I'm good enough.

fourfathom: You're plenty good enough. In fact, you're one of the best engineers I've ever worked with.

tom66: Yeah, don't worry about it. You'll be fine.

james_s: Just remember that no one is perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Even the best engineers make mistakes sometimes.

xrunner: Just relax and enjoy the ride. You'll get there eventually.

If only internet-life was like this more often...
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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2022, 11:24:54 pm »
I re-ran it a few times, and it came up with the following.  It is worrying, how much information leaks out from forums like this.  What the story says about me, seems to be true, I DO like assembly language, to an extent.

It reminds me of a horoscope. It spits out a word soup consisting of a bunch of random technical terms using names of people found in a technical forum so it's highly likely that it will score a few hits which get amplified by confirmation bias. For what it's worth, I've never bothered to learn HTML and never had much interest in web development, and I've certainly never come here seeking advice on that topic. Frankly it sounds more like a madlib than intelligence.
 
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« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2022, 11:27:20 pm »
Yeas, this is a bit more advanced version of deep Markov chain with a lot of training data. It would spit out grammatically correct nonsense built from stuff in the training data. This is interesting, but pretty pointless.

Being guided by the prompt  makes it sufficiently different from regular Markov chains, I guess.
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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2022, 11:32:28 pm »
It reminds me of a horoscope. It spits out a word soup consisting of a bunch of random technical terms using names of people found in a technical forum so it's highly likely that it will score a few hits which get amplified by confirmation bias. For what it's worth, I've never bothered to learn HTML and never had much interest in web development, and I've certainly never come here seeking advice on that topic. Frankly it sounds more like a madlib than intelligence.

You're completely right, I agree.

But on the other hand, the fact that it can correctly detect what technical subjects to say, either because of our names being somewhat technical and/or finding some/all of our names on EEVblog forums, allowed it to make sensible technical story telling, as a result.
So, I'm still rather impressed with it.  Also, it sounds sort of plausible.

TL;DR
You're right, in what you said.  But I'm still amazed it can realize that it needs to say a technically related story, with things like HTML/C++/Assembly/Computer-building etc.
 


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