EEVblog Electronics Community Forum
General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: EEVblog on August 04, 2015, 12:38:17 am
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AvE Youtube channel viewers have been requesting a forum, and Mr AvE has asked if it's possible to have a separate section of the EEVblog forum for his channel rather than set up his own.
What does everyone think about that idea?
Blog owners could request their own forum section where they can be moderator and post/discuss their own videos.
So rather then have all channels lumped under the one "other blog" forum section, people can read only those channels that interest them and ignore the others (or ignore all).
That way there is less forum fragmentation in the community in general, and smaller channels can benefit from the large EEVblog forum community.
And if so, how should this be implemented?
I'm thinking a separate top level forum section entirely like we have the PCB/EDA, and then a section for each channel that wants one.
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If the channels are of general interest to EEVBLOG, I see no issue. It may in fact add a lot of new info and views.
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If the channels are of general interest to EEVBLOG, I see no issue. It may in fact add a lot of new info and views.
Of course, yes, only electronics related blog channels would be allowed.
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If the channels are of general interest to EEVBLOG, I see no issue. It may in fact add a lot of new info and views.
Of course, yes, only electronics related blog channels would be allowed.
I, of course, trust your taste of what is appropriate. Cast a wide net!
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What about moderation policy? They'll have to be 100% compatible (both ways) or each section sets own standards?
Well, yeah, that might get a bit tricky, but I could limit moderation so that all serious stuff like bans still have to go through the existing moderators.
A fairly minor problem though that will work itself out I suspect.
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If the channels are of general interest to EEVBLOG, I see no issue. It may in fact add a lot of new info and views.
Of course, yes, only electronics related blog channels would be allowed.
I, of course, trust your taste of what is appropriate. Cast a wide net!
AvE for example isn't just electronics, but would certainly qualify, huge overlaps there.
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If the channels are of general interest to EEVBLOG, I see no issue. It may in fact add a lot of new info and views.
Of course, yes, only electronics related blog channels would be allowed.
How about cat (the ones that purrrr all the time) related channels?
OK more serious... having 'all' the electronics Youtube channels under one roof would be useful.
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OK more serious... having 'all' the electronics Youtube channels under one roof would be useful.
I agree.
Already Mike, Shariar, and Alan are three biggies that post their videos here. Martin has his own forum that's doing ok I think.
And I've seen others try and set up their own forum but don't get any traction which is a shame.
It could be a real useful central forum for up-and-coming bloggers.
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I'm not necessarily stating it's a bad idea, but the forum is already too big for me to keep up. A couple more big hitters would make it impossible.
One would have to switch from "show unread" to picking individual sub forums instead.
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I seem to be completely out of the loop as I have no idea what "Ave" is.
Anyhow I just went and looked at the "other blogs" section and while some like Mike and Alan have forum names reflecting their channel, people like Shahriar don't so subsections named after the blogs would be a good thing
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One thing I like about this forum is the moderation.
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I seem to be completely out of the loop as I have no idea what "Ave" is.
Anyhow I just went and looked at the "other blogs" section and while some like Mike and Alan have forum names reflecting their channel, people like Shahriar don't so subsections named after the blogs would be a good thing
https://www.youtube.com/user/arduinoversusevil/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/arduinoversusevil/videos)
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One would have to switch from "show unread" to picking individual sub forums instead.
+1 for this "low pass" filter >:D , hope there is a SMF Add on for this. :-+
Just fyi, the latest forum's (updated July) statistic -> HERE (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-getting-too-popular/msg702697/#msg702697) e.g.: New posts is now about 700 posts/day. :o
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Due to the shear number of people posting on this forum, I can't really look at everything around. At this stage there is way too many posts to monitor them all and if AvE that does mostly non electronic not much resembles electronic videos is just going to majorly overload the content. Not to mention then others would start to get involved and where does it stop after that.
Unlike some user that can easily go through every message I have to look at titles only and scan this way. So if a title is non-informative then it is disregarded. I would also be turned off on mis-represented titles that appear electronic and end up not being that.
For me I am a new YouTube Blogger and still learning the ropes. My content is mostly electronics which is posted here if possible, but I have some woodworking, Metal or mechanical working and astronomy videos that I do not even think to entertain on this site. The same should apply for any other video blogger. It would get this forum way over the top in content.
The only real advantage to EEVBlog is the number of users to this site may increase dramatically that could assist Dave in getting more revenue from advertising. There will be a fine line to me posting on this forum and remain subscribed. I suppose some user wouldn't careless but how many other would be in the same boat is unsure. If a I miss a day of monitoring this site, I am overwhelmed by the number of pages to look at.
Personally I am quite happy to post individual discussion on each relevant forum related to my video posted.
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Electronics is a very wide field. People involved are often using cnc, chemical processes, structural engineering methods, graphic arts. Just to make a simple product like an mp3 player how many specialties are involved?
If a graphic artist had a youtube channel and it shows his/her approach to front panel design I'd like to see it here. I'm not sure that would qualify for a spot but that could be evaluated and if the channel wanders off then I know it would lose it's privileges.
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While I'm for the idea of collecting all the smart people here, I don't think AvE has anything to do with electronics or education. I'm subscribed to his channel, but it is mostly trashy stuff with a few exceptions. It is like glossy magazines for geeks, I'm not entirely sure it belongs here.
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Just to make a simple product like an mp3 player how many specialties are involved?
But this forum focuses on the electronics part of the deal. I'm sure there are arts forums that have industrial design subforums.
By the same token, marketing is an essential part of modern electronics life cycle. Should we invite marketers here as well?
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Just to make a simple product like an mp3 player how many specialties are involved?
But this forum focuses on the electronics part of the deal. I'm sure there are arts forums that have industrial design subforums.
By the same token, marketing is an essential part of modern electronics life cycle. Should we invite marketers here as well?
Marketing and things of that nature are discussed here all the time. My thinking is that when a new subsection is allowed it will have already been checked. I'm also sure that Dave will read them the "riot act". Break the rules and you will have to go, is that not sufficient?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to put a sticky at the head of each section. No conspiracy theories, aliens, perpetual motion machines or cake recipes.
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I think AvE is an awesome channel! I really appreciate the hacker attitude combined with genuine mechanical knowledge and experience. And also extremely funny!
But as for the forum question -- I'm vaguely concerned about whether this forum software is up to the task at the moment. I mean, using AvE forum as an example:
-- Being able to see AvE forum posts at the same time as EEVBlog forum posts is essential for AvE forum to reach any kind of critical mass. If I have to specially visit the AvE forum on a separate site, and there isn't much life there, I'll pretty quickly stop checking there and it'll just fizzle out. Not to mention the first-time registration inconvenience.
-- However, as mentioned by others, the "unread messages" section would just become a jumble of EEVBlog, AvE, w2aew, signal path, etc etc posts, and so in that sense it becomes an everything forum where you're automatically subscribed to everything, which understandably is not what everyone wants. (Though I personally am OK with it, the lists of bloggers in this thread are basically my subscription list in YouTube, I fully appreciate that other people have different tastes).
This is a software problem -- I know the site admins/Dave may hate me for suggesting this, but if there's some kind of feature/mod whereby you can choose that "unread messages" respects a whitelist or blacklist of forum sections, then each individual user gets to choose whether the forum stays pure EEVBlog from their perspective, whether they want an all inclusive jumble of everythingness, or indeed, if they decide that they love EEVBlog and blog X but hate blog Y, they can have their dream forum too. That way, everyone's happy.
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Marketing and things of that nature are discussed here all the time.
Yes, in relevant sub-forums. We are not inviting top 3 marketing YouTube channels to create separate sub-forums here.
That being said, I'm mostly "offended" by AvE. Other people mentioned here are perfectly fine with me.
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I'm not necessarily stating it's a bad idea, but the forum is already too big for me to keep up. A couple more big hitters would make it impossible.
One would have to switch from "show unread" to picking individual sub forums instead.
That is inevitable with any forum this large, and that is why there is an "Ignore Boards" option.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3)
So any new boards need not impact your "Show unread" list.
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-- However, as mentioned by others, the "unread messages" section would just become a jumble of EEVBlog, AvE, w2aew, signal path, etc etc posts, and so in that sense it becomes an everything forum where you're automatically subscribed to everything, which understandably is not what everyone wants.
It should be noted that it already is like that.
This is a software problem -- I know the site admins/Dave may hate me for suggesting this, but if there's some kind of feature/mod whereby you can choose that "unread messages" respects a whitelist or blacklist of forum sections, then each individual user gets to choose whether the forum stays pure EEVBlog from their perspective, whether they want an all inclusive jumble of everythingness, or indeed, if they decide that they love EEVBlog and blog X but hate blog Y, they can have their dream forum too. That way, everyone's happy.
The existing Ignore Boards option should do this, although personally I have not tried it.
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Each one will be a value judgement and not only do you have to weigh up the value of the content but also the risk if you get it wrong. Once you start down this path where do you stop.
You stop at channels that don't have appreciable level of electronics involved.
Case by case basis of course. For example, Ben Krasnow's Applied Science channel I'd say would still fit in even though it's mostly not electronics.
I am content enough to see a few posts relating to Mike's, Alan's or Shariar's new video content within the existing forum structure. I wouldn't object to others also doing that.
That's what is being suggested, just have it bit more organised than it is now. So if you liked Mike's video's and not Shariar's you could ignore one and not the other. At present you can't do that in the "other blogs" section.
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-- However, as mentioned by others, the "unread messages" section would just become a jumble of EEVBlog, AvE, w2aew, signal path, etc etc posts, and so in that sense it becomes an everything forum where you're automatically subscribed to everything, which understandably is not what everyone wants.
It should be noted that it already is like that.
So I get that there are currently a handful of individual posts about certain videos. But a more legitimate concern may be a massive surge of machining, turning and milling questions from AvE's followers -- that would seriously dilute the electrical content of the forum. Not sure if this is a legitimate concern or not, just throwing it out there.
The existing Ignore Boards option should do this, although personally I have not tried it.
Oh cool, I hadn't seen that. It works, I just tried it now. This should completely address everyone's concerns about the "unread mail" section becoming full of milling-related questions (provided that new members joining us from AvE post in the right section, and that section exists!)
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BTW< The "Ignore Boards" section says this:
This page lets you ignore particular boards. When a board is ignored, the new post indicator will not show up on the board index. New posts will not show up using the "unread post" search link (when searching it will not look in those boards) however, ignored boards will still appear on the board index and upon entering will show which topics have new posts. When using the "unread replies" link, new posts in an ignored board will still be shown.
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I voted no. I think that kind of expansion would dilute your brand and the community here. Sometimes bigger is not better. Of course from a revenue generating standpoint it might make sense for you but not for the current forum members IMHO.
Links to other youtube channels or forums? Yeah sure. But I just don't see the advantage of merging them here. (except as a financial move which is your prerogative of course!)
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I voted no. I think that kind of expansion would dilute your brand and the community here. Sometimes bigger is not better. Of course from a revenue generating standpoint it might make sense for you but not for the current forum members IMHO.
What about the existing bloggers who post their videos here and use it for feedback?
It's always been part of the forum.
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What about the existing bloggers who post their videos here and use it for feedback? It's always been part of the forum.
It is great! But this only generates one message per video and discussion stays related to the video. In case of a separate section, all of AvE viewers will use the forum for generic questions, not related to a specific video. And in case of AvE, most of it will not be electronics-related.
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I am torn. On one hand this will make a mess of the forums, dilute the focus, divide contributions as we won't know who the contributions will benefit, and could cause you to lose control of things.
On the other hand it could bring more contributors with different expertise, more traffic, and could turn your enterprise into a wider ranging multiple discipline engineering forum and hub. It could even turn your enterprise into a hosting business for these kinds of forums. This could be a very good move for you Dave. But as many well intended expansion have blown up and killed the original successful enterprise, this could also be the undoing of EEVBlog.
It is not a decision to be taken lightly. You seem to be doing so well it seems a big risk. Perhaps the better idea is to assist them in getting setup and help support them in starting out. That means more work for you and for less return. IMHO, in the end, do not roll in other channels into sub forums. It would be better to help them get on their feet and perhaps gain some reciprocal referrals.
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What about the existing bloggers who post their videos here and use it for feedback? It's always been part of the forum.
It is great! But this only generates one message per video and discussion stays related to the video. In case of a separate section, all of AvE viewers will use the forum for generic questions, not related to a specific video. And in case of AvE, most of it will not be electronics-related.
Yes. Well said. I agree on all counts.
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I don't really see the risk. If a blogger or his followers get out of hand they get banned. They get treated the same way as any forum member. Dave and the moderators will ban users and delete postings.
The number of posts per day on this forum are massive as it is. Even if Dave does nothing you will miss most of what's here. I stop by, have a quick look at the welcome page and maybe hit notify on an item that interests me. Other than that, no time. Right now I'm most interested in the MH370 and that is in the general section, not electronics related at all.
The forum will change, growth is a part of business. As long as Dave maintains control he can expand this idea or phase it out.
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I don't really see the risk. If a blogger or his followers get out of hand they get banned. They get treated the same way as any forum member. Dave and the moderators will ban users and delete postings.
Except when things get esoteric though no fault of a specific user. You may have to ban the entire sub-forum.
For example of the most recent ventures of AvE is some ridiculous metal build-up attachment to 3-D printers with very questionable demos so far and a lot of self-confidence. This attracts all sorts of freaks, including free-energy nuts. The forum may quickly turn into a dump like edaboard became.
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I am very grateful that Dave agreed to the Other Blogs forum section as it allows some of us 'spare time bloggers' to get a little bit of discussion and maybe some subscribers where our own forum would likely get very little traffic. I think with much larger channels or channels that are churning out videos daily or every few days things will probably get lost in the Other Blogs section unless Dave enforced an rule where only electronics or closely relevant content is posted.
Separate forum sections could be a good idea for bigger YT channels, but I think once you have enough visitors it just makes sense to create your own forum on your own site.
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I don't really see the risk. If a blogger or his followers get out of hand they get banned. They get treated the same way as any forum member. Dave and the moderators will ban users and delete postings.
Except when things get esoteric though no fault of a specific user. You may have to ban the entire sub-forum.
For example of the most recent ventures of AvE is some ridiculous metal build-up attachment to 3-D printers with very questionable demos so far and a lot of self-confidence. This attracts all sorts of freaks, including free-energy nuts. The forum may quickly turn into a dump like edaboard became.
Nothing wrong with deleting a subforum, I'm sure that's understood from the start. Dave reserves the right to do what's needed for the health of the forum. Even though we hardly ever see it I know it's a part of what happens here daily (banning members, probation, post mods and deletions).
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I like the idea, there's quite a few small TY channels that put out content we would all be interested in but they haven't hit Dave like audiences (SteveyG being a good example but there are others). Ive only ever seen a few AvE and they are a bit off the cuff messing around kind of thing but as long as it falls broadly under the engineering net I think it should be good. As said you can always just ignore.
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I think this is a great idea. Aggregate related things while letting people "keep control" and not having to put more stress on the forum proper's mods.
No offence to other content creators but I can imagine more people would actually find them here too.
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Is the proposal that there could be a section for each (approved) blog, where only that sub-forum's moderator can start new threads (one per vid, project etc.) for discussion?
I wouldn't want to see each blog creating sub-boards like a 'General Chat' or 'Beginners' section that takes away from the main site.
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Is the proposal that there could be a section for each (approved) blog, where only that sub-forum's moderator can start new threads (one per vid, project etc.) for discussion?
I wouldn't want to see each blog creating sub-boards like a 'General Chat' or 'Beginners' section that takes away from the main site.
My guess would be anyone could create a thread in a section as it is now. You could create a thread called beginners, but that's it.
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But as many well intended expansion have blown up and killed the original successful enterprise, this could also be the undoing of EEVBlog.
Not possible. Countless people will complain well before that happens, and I can always pull the plug on any forum section.
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Is the proposal that there could be a section for each (approved) blog, where only that sub-forum's moderator can start new threads (one per vid, project etc.) for discussion?
I wasn't going to do that, but that restriction is possible.
I wouldn't want to see each blog creating sub-boards like a 'General Chat' or 'Beginners' section that takes away from the main site.
Of course not, that would be silly.
It's basically exactly what we have now where any blogger can post their material in the "Other Blog" section, and then point their audience there if they desire.
The change is having separate sections for each blog if they so desire.
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Even though we hardly ever see it I know it's a part of what happens here daily (banning members, probation, post mods and deletions).
You'd be surprised at how little moderation we have to actually do for a forum of this size. Most of it is just general housekeeping.
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Earlier in the thread a reference was made to AVE (Arduino Versus Evil) having a sub forum here and I like the idea in theory, now I've been a big fan of AVE for quite a while and as you would no doubt have seen it's open slather on anyone or anything with no holes barred to a certain extent, but with that brings controversy and colourful language including French and for some of us that is the appeal but it may not be appropriate for the younger folk to have open access to that type of conversation.
We here can get away with the occasional profound word provided that it is not directed at anyone personally or generally demeaning but with some other content producers it's a part of what they do and par for the course, buggered if I know how you moderate that stuff.
Muttley
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I like the idea. And if it doesn't work, undo it. What could possibly go wrong? ;D
And I have also a suggestion which YouTuber realy deserves such a section . . . .
The Post Apocalyptic Inventor:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDbWmfrwmzn1ZsGgrYRUxoA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDbWmfrwmzn1ZsGgrYRUxoA)
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I want photonicinduction to get his own section.
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Given the forum user to righteous blind moron is at near unity (said in the most sarcastic manner possible), can someone whip up a true ignore plug-in before the forum grows by an order of magnitude or more?
And yes, I've had way too much coffee, time to go. :scared:
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I think a lot can happen. Generally when a person company asks for space then it is considered a verbal agreement. If the person is booted off for displaying what they generally do on YouTube then it would be considered inappropriate to cancel something mid way. After all the content would be allowed based on the channel content that is already entertains. Apart from accepted restrictions on agreement.
You would have to place a massive legal contract to ensure that you are not sued.
I think if Dave is happy with AvE's Youtube content then what ever is posted will also be OK. This is to be a commercial decision they are entering in as AvE and EEVBlog are both commercial ventures and there are financial interested involved that if terminate runs a risk of something possible happening. It is different as a forum user and general bloggers like myself as we need to stick to the guideline set-out on entry no commercial attachments only the hope that someone picks up you blogging.
If i ever got to the stage of getting big then i would host my own page and forum, for me that is an easy task as I already have a business website just not a blogging one.
I like the idea. And if it doesn't work, undo it. What could possibly go wrong? ;D
And I have also a suggestion which YouTuber realy deserves such a section . . . .
The Post Apocalyptic Inventor:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDbWmfrwmzn1ZsGgrYRUxoA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDbWmfrwmzn1ZsGgrYRUxoA)
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I love AvE's videos, but I think the key issue here is one of community. The EEVBlog, just like AvE have or are building up a community. To that effect I think that adding AvE as a sub section to the EEVBlog would be detrimental in the long term t AvE's development of a community (which he is actively trying to cultivate, and that's a good thing!!). I would much rather see him get set up with a forum that supports his own community, and I think Dave could help him with that.
The difference between Mike, Alan and Shahriar is that they don't seem to be interested in building a community as much as contributing to this one (and also their topics are primarily directly related to EE versus AvE's content in general).
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Hi Dave,
I've watched some of AvE's videos and they are very entertaining, I have no problem with them whatsoever. With that said I find AvE's video's are produced more for entertainment value with some useful points along the way. I think most would agree there is little comparison with AvE's video's and EEVBlog's when it comes to professionalism and the methods used to prove a point. You do proper tests, using proper engineering methods with facts and data to prove your point.
The one major problem I see with this is the possibility to tarnish the EEVBlog's "brand image" you have worked so hard to create. Dave you seem to be well respected by many manufacturer's and they trust you with their products to do proper professional reviews. They understand you will tell it like it is, but in a professional way with facts and data to back up your conclusion. My fear is that once a separate section is made for other blog's even though most current EEVBlog members will understand that its a separate entity the general public will most likely not. Picture someone doing a Google search and one of the responses comes up with "EEVBlog" being the domain name but it's for a topic under AvE's sub forum. I don't think the person clicking on that link is going to understand that its AvE's content they are looking at not the EEVBlog's.
This might have been brought up before but what happens if EEVBlog reviews for example "XYZ" product and feels its absolute crap, were as AvE does a review on the same product and concludes its a great product. How is that doing to look to someone doing a web search for "XYZ product review" and two completely conflicting reviews come up under the "EEVBlog" domain?
Some will say the EEVBlog forum is a separate entity from the EEVBlog vidoes/website. While I would in some cases agree with that, I still feel it all falls under a representation of EEVBlog's brand image. Currently Dave attracts a certain audience, granted the audience varies from beginners to professionals but I think for the most part everyone here wants to learn and do things properly. I fear some of the crowd that may follow from AvE's blog might not have the same interests and even though their posts will be under their own sub forum it will still reflect on the EEVBlog and it's brand image.
I've only addressed the idea of the AvE sub forum so far and while I do feel some of the other blog's might be a better "fit" I still think it will draw confusion and cause their content to be viewed as EEVBlog content (for better or worse). If they wish to post links to their video's in the forums that's fine, at least it shows up like a "user" submitted video and not an official "EEVBlog" affiliate.
I hope I haven't come across as negative to the other blogs, AvE does have some great content that's very entertaining. I believe The Signal Path was mentioned as well, I really enjoy Shahriar's videos and it's awesome to see him active here on the forum. In fact it's because of this forum that I found his stuff to begin with. However had The Signal Path been under an official EEVBlog sub forum I'm not sure as a new member I would have understood the separation between it and the EEVBlog's contents. This would be more of a concern for new users and people arriving here by search engine.
Hope this is helpful.
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@tech5940
There are many negative and positive reviews for products on the forum (some duplicating Daves but with an opposing result). Any member can state his opinions following the review or post their own. Just as myself and you are doing on this subject. The best reviews will have this sort of discussion following it.
Test gear is almost always purchased with a particular goal in mind. No such thing as the perfect meter.
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I think several people have made good points about the dangers of this proposal. Brand dilution, confusion of what is Dave's content versus content from other Vbloggers, and risk of the nature of the forum being altered by those primarily drawn here by other Vblog content (eg AvE) which however worthwhile, is of a different nature than Dave's (and attracts a very different audience).
Lots of other great electronics Vbloggers out there - w2aew, Shahriar, etc. They do have space here to link to and discuss their videos and that's great but different in important ways from devoting a whole forum section to their following.
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You would have to place a massive legal contract to ensure that you are not sued.
Are you kidding? :palm:
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I love AvE's videos, but I think the key issue here is one of community. The EEVBlog, just like AvE have or are building up a community. To that effect I think that adding AvE as a sub section to the EEVBlog would be detrimental in the long term t AvE's development of a community (which he is actively trying to cultivate, and that's a good thing!!). I would much rather see him get set up with a forum that supports his own community
He said he doesn't have the desire nor inclination to do that, hence why he asked about using he EEVblog forum.
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Some will say the EEVBlog forum is a separate entity from the EEVBlog vidoes/website. While I would in some cases agree with that, I still feel it all falls under a representation of EEVBlog's brand image. Currently Dave attracts a certain audience, granted the audience varies from beginners to professionals but I think for the most part everyone here wants to learn and do things properly. I fear some of the crowd that may follow from AvE's blog might not have the same interests and even though their posts will be under their own sub forum it will still reflect on the EEVBlog and it's brand image.
Well that't the thing really.
Whilst the EEVblog forum started as a way for viewers to discuss my videos, through no real manipulation or intent of my own it has morphed into one of the biggest electronics engineering community forums. And as such I only feel it's right to let other electronics bloggers post their stuff here as well to capitalise on the large community. So ultimately it comes down to two things:
1) Should there be separate sections for each blog, to keep things tidy. Or should it remain just a casual "catch all" "post your video if you want to" kind of thing.
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2) Who's allowed to post their videos here in terms of on-topicness.
The "brand" thing is interesting because a movement is afoot to revamp the EEVblog website, and ultimately (and incrementally) revamp the EEVblog forum to more cosmetically fit with the new look EEVblog website.
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@tech5940
There are many negative and positive reviews for products on the forum (some duplicating Daves but with an opposing result). Any member can state his opinions following the review or post their own. Just as myself and you are doing on this subject. The best reviews will have this sort of discussion following it.
Test gear is almost always purchased with a particular goal in mind. No such thing as the perfect meter.
I agree with you that people are free to post conflicting reviews/opinions, however none of us currently have our very own top level sub forum to put them in. In my mind that's were the line starts to fade between ones personal post's and one that looks to be affiliated with the EEVBlog.
Specific to AvE a lot of his videos are not really electronics related, interesting yes but I'm not sure if Dave wants the EEVBlog name associated with hammer drill's and lawn mover tune ups.
Dave has worked hard to gain the brand image he has now as a professional electronics engineering blog, I would hate to see that be ruined by being adopting a "superstore" mentality we're they have a little of everything but aren't particularly known for being great at anything.
Anyway just my opinion, as you pointed out I'm sure there will be many people who may or may not share mine. That is part of the fun.
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So I'm Joe Blow on youtube and watch an electronics related video, I see in the description come visit me on the eevblog forum where I camp out and then the link.
I just don't see this as bad for the forum other than the number of posts it could bring. Ok you could get a bad apple but kill the account. The forum is already at a stage where most user ignore content because of the volume.
Just think of some of the positives, ten eevblog youtubers having an eevblog challenge or event. I test instrument sent around the world and reviewed. The most used screwdriver on the bench. Can you solder copper to aluminum? and so on.
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Well that't the thing really.
Whilst the EEVblog forum started as a way for viewers to discuss my videos, through no real manipulation or intent of my own it has morphed into one of the biggest electronics engineering community forums. And as such I only feel it's right to let other electronics bloggers post their stuff here as well to capitalise on the large community. So ultimately it comes down to two things:
1) Should there be separate sections for each blog, to keep things tidy. Or should it remain just a casual "catch all" "post your video if you want to" kind of thing.
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2) Who's allowed to post their videos here in terms of on-topicness.
The "brand" thing is interesting because a movement is afoot to revamp the EEVblog website, and ultimately (and incrementally) revamp the EEVblog forum to more cosmetically fit with the new look EEVblog website.
My personal opinion and gut feeling is that it would be best for it to remain a casual "catch all" and people who are interested in posting their video's can join the community as a user and share what they have to offer much as Shahriar has with The Signal Path. I think this route also self police's your second question in that most people who come here are interested in electronics and as it stands now people usually only post relevant topics. Yes there's the odd funny post which is non electronics related in the general chat etc but for the most part the content is in line with the electronics engineering community that you have built here.
Yes I have noticed you are trying to build up the "brand" (I saw the preview on Patreon, looks good!) and I think that's a very smart move, you are already well known and respected by many of the big players. That however is exactly why I'm so against making an official looking "spot" under the EEVBlog umbrella for other blogs . If one of the big players in electronics was thinking about advertising on your main page they would have a look around, and no doubt stumble upon the forum and be presented with a selection of sub forums. Anything that has it's own official sub forum I feel would be treated as part of the "image" that is the EEVBlog. Yes people are free to post whatever they like (within reason) in the existing sub forums but everyone knows and understands that individual posts are just that, a post of an individual user and not a direct representation of the EEVBlog. To make a point lets say you make a sub forum for (insert a very controversial and topic here) it would on the surface appear that the EEVBlog supported that topic because it has its own official spot. If that same topic was brought up in a general forum then it only appears as the opinion of the individual who posted it. This brings us back to the AvE example, even though a lot of his videos are electronics related a potential advertiser might not like his style and if he were to have an official spot (i.e Sub forum) under the EEVBlog umbrella I'm afraid his video's will become part of the brand image that you have been working so hard to build. I'm sure you will agree that you have a unique style to your video's and I doubt that any other blog you choose to add "officially" to the site is bound to be vastly different from YOUR style and this is were brand dilution begins.
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I think that you are overemphassing the importance advertises might put on any sub forum. I can pretty much guarantee you that in the scheme of things it's not going to matter, for various reasons I won't try to go into.
Whether or not I do this, the potential to lose advertising doesn't even register on my list. I have zero fear of that.
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I think that you are overemphassing the importance advertises might put on any sub forum. I can pretty much guarantee you that in the scheme of things it's not going to matter, for various reasons I won't try to go into.
Whether or not I do this, the potential to lose advertising doesn't even register on my list. I have zero fear of that.
Fair enough, I was wondering after my post about how important the advertising side of the business was. Without knowing anything about the business side of things (and I wouldn't expect you to discuss them here) regarding the EEVBlog, you are in the best position to determine if the possibility of x amount of new users outweighs the negative issues brought forward.
Either way I'll be sure to continue enjoying your content and the forum.
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Fair enough, I was wondering after my post about how important the advertising side of the business was. Without knowing anything about the business side of things (and I wouldn't expect you to discuss them here) regarding the EEVBlog, you are in the best position to determine if the possibility of x amount of new users outweighs the negative issues brought forward.
Advertising is the vast majority of my income, with the website/forum being the bulk of that. i.e. it's a lot more than just Youtube ad revenue.
If I lost all my website and forum advertising I'd be in very serious trouble.
But I'm not a great businessman, and often do things that are a detriment to my income, for various reasons. For example, I used to have Google Adsense ads on each blog post, and I turned those off because I didn't like the look of them. That was an almost 4 figure per month income hit IIRC.
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Fair enough, I was wondering after my post about how important the advertising side of the business was. Without knowing anything about the business side of things (and I wouldn't expect you to discuss them here) regarding the EEVBlog, you are in the best position to determine if the possibility of x amount of new users outweighs the negative issues brought forward.
Advertising is the vast majority of my income, with the website/forum being the bulk of that. i.e. it's a lot more than just Youtube ad revenue.
If I lost all my website and forum advertising I'd be in very serious trouble.
But I'm not a great businessman, and often do things that are a detriment to my income, for various reasons. For example, I used to have Google Adsense ads on each blog post, and I turned those off because I didn't like the look of them. That was an almost 4 figure per month income hit IIRC.
Well in that case I can certainly see how an increase in users would look attractive. I'm picturing an owner of a nice quiet pub with many loyal regulars contemplating an expansion and turning the place into a nightclub :)
You might be a better business man then you thought regarding Google Adsense. Chances are if it annoyed you it would have annoyed your readers as well. I've been known on occasion to limit my visits to a site because of an annoying user interface (usually caused by too many ads) so chances are you made a good choice and in return people keep coming back. It must be hard to find a decent balance though.
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I agree a lot about this. Please make it happen.
I would love some of them related to electronics retrocomputing, teaching theory and explaining demonstrations...
I have some candidates to propose and purpose them to join...