One of the purposes of MPI_Init is to define a communicator that consists of all of the processes started by the user when she started the program.
In my opinion this all is very silly and a waste of time, but it seems important for some people.
Writers write, it's what they do.
I'm willing to bet the first draft was written with all "he". Then the publisher sent it back with a punch list of issues and corrections, one of which was, "it's not politically correct..., drop in some "she". :palm:
Hello,
currently I am reading An introduction to parallel programming book and it's about how to program and stuff, you know, in strict technical terminology. And when author wants to say something like: the user writes this and that, program works like this... And this is writen from a women perspective (in my mind it means like "stupid" first time user of something)QuoteOne of the purposes of MPI_Init is to define a communicator that consists of all of the processes started by the user when she started the program.
And these references are everywhere in the book. I am not native english speaker and I find it funny and sexist I suppose :D
What do you think about this, is it common in technical literature? I don't read it much in english and come across it for the first time.
That being said I fail to see why your example is sexist. It's meant to include women.Well programmer writing the code could be man or woman. As I read the book all references where as "she" so it got my attention.
I think that sentence has an awkward turn of phrase.
I've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
I've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
;D I have a huge problem with anthropomorphizing electronics and software.
The general practice of using words like Actor to refer to both sexes, make a certain kind of sense though.
One of the purposes of MPI_Init is to define a communicator that consists of all of the processes started by the user when she started the program.
I've never understood why some people have issues with the word "they" in these cases. Is sound just fine to my ear and I can't see why it could be considered disrespectful - :-//
Don't like it? Come up with something I like better.
I've given up on being the annoying asshole
they can bite me.
I've given up on being the annoying assholethey can bite me.
Glad to see you haven't given up, and don't worry I'll help you bare the load.
::) OK, point taken, maybe that was a bit harsh, but still - if you don't tell me what pronouns to use, I won't tell you what pronouns to use. And for Christ's sake don't be offended by a pronoun.
Glad to see you haven't given up, and don't worry I'll help you bare the load.
I've never understood why some people have issues with the word "they" in these cases. Is sound just fine to my ear and I can't see why it could be considered disrespectful - :-//
Not disrespectful, weird.
The mind boggles at that, but perhaps bearing the load might be more appropriate?
I've never understood why some people have issues with the word "they"
--For this to be proper, strictly speaking, he (I.E. the person referred to) would have to have a mouse in his pocket.
“In German, a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. Think what overwrought reverence that shows for the turnip, and what callous disrespect for the girl.”
Samuel Langhorne Clemons, Mark Twain 1835 - 1910
1. Use singular "they". God, this one grinds my gears. :scared: I know language evolves and all that... but it just sounds so freaking weird to me!
I've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
;D I have a huge problem with anthropomorphizing electronics and software.
--Gloria Steinem led the fight to require everyone to address all women as Ms (pronounced miz), so that women (sometimes spelled wimin for obvious reasons) would not have to betray their marital status by form of address.
I've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
;D I have a huge problem with anthropomorphizing electronics and software.
But we do it all the time,by saying for instance.that a circuit "sees its load as an inductance", or whatever. ;D
--Gloria Steinem led the fight to require everyone to address all women as Ms (pronounced miz), so that women (sometimes spelled wimin for obvious reasons) would not have to betray their marital status by form of address.
Well women are addressed by their marital status while men aren't for historical reasons that are somewhat divorced from gender equality. It's a stupid and irrelevant thing nowadays.
You "guys" can debate the smallest point for pages on this forum. (shakes head) :palm:
I've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
;D I have a huge problem with anthropomorphizing electronics and software.
But we do it all the time,by saying for instance.that a circuit "sees its load as an inductance", or whatever. ;D
I wasn't writing very clearly. I have a "problem" in that I do it way too much! I'd find myself from time to time saying that the circuit sees "his" load as an inductance, and whether or not he likes that ;D
I sometimes pretend to be an insensitive misogynist prick if I encounter a feminazi. Just for the hell of it.
I can understand the frustration of women if they are treated unequally when it comes to job positions and salaries, but shouting about every little gender-related dilemma just pisses me off. Some things are only a problem because retarded feminists make them.
One is a symptom of the other. The fact that you feel it's okay to go around being a misogynist prick for lols just proves that. You would go around being a racist prick when you encounter someone who isn't racist, or be a homophobic prick when you encounter someone who is overtly gay?
Anyway, I think people should just focus more on scientific style writing when it comes to technical literature. Basically fall back on gender-neutral pronouns, such as:
"After that, she can proceed to de-solder the component..." -> "After that, one can proceed to de-solder the component..."
...and so forth. Unfortunately gender-neutral writing is hard and doesn't feel natural. Just another example of how cluster fucked the English language is.
(a group of men, on a forum completely dominated by men, in a profession largely dominated by men, will discuss what should and shouldn't be considered sexist. Right.)
One is a symptom of the other. The fact that you feel it's okay to go around being a misogynist prick for lols just proves that. You would go around being a racist prick when you encounter someone who isn't racist, or be a homophobic prick when you encounter someone who is overtly gay?
Those people have legitimate complaints, like you know, actual oppression...
Wow, such ignorance.
One is a symptom of the other. The fact that you feel it's okay to go around being a misogynist prick for lols just proves that. You would go around being a racist prick when you encounter someone who isn't racist, or be a homophobic prick when you encounter someone who is overtly gay?Well, I really have no way out when you put it like that, do I?
I was at a major engineering technical conference last week and a very large percentage of attendees were women, from undergraduates, doctoral students through to professors.When I came to college last year, I was pleasantly surprised to find I have a fair number of female classmates. Not only that, quite a few of them are attractive. :-+
At work a fair number of my colleagues are women too.
Ignorance? I'm not letting you get away with ridiculous comparison, that's all. Nice try though.
Start reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights
To be honest, the only time I call a circuit other than it, when she doesn't work. :-DDI've even seen referenced a PCB assembly as "he". It made me laugh outside and cry inside.
;D I have a huge problem with anthropomorphizing electronics and software.
But we do it all the time,by saying for instance.that a circuit "sees its load as an inductance", or whatever. ;D
I wasn't writing very clearly. I have a "problem" in that I do it way too much! I'd find myself from time to time saying that the circuit sees "his" load as an inductance, and whether or not he likes that ;D
If it helps your thinking process to anthropomorphise circuit elements or components, go for it!
I myself find this helpful with circuits, formulas, functions, variables, code blocks, machines, test equipment, etc.
One can always edit one's prose after the fact, or not worry about it at all if the audience is informal.
"After that, one can proceed to de-solder the component..."
One can,if one is Her Majesty the Queen! ;D
Oh please, that's the best you can do? Stop being so ridiculous.
Obvious troll is obvious.
What this is about is feminism. Those people are super bitchy.
Like those guys who whine about feminists. They are total dicks.
Just gonna throw a bit of white gas on this fire and say, I have yet to even meet a female engineer, though I've met dozens of male ones, so the use of he vs. she vs. s/he vs. whatever seems a bit moot. Before you address stupid shit like what pronouns to use, maybe you should focus on getting more women into the field in the first plane.Women are going to have to focus on getting into the field. That's individual choice not a group thing.
Are you a feminist? That's so cute.What this is about is feminism. Those people are super bitchy.
Like those guys who whine about feminists. They are total dicks.
I have yet to even meet a female engineer
I have yet to even meet a female engineer
That seems to vary with the industry. There are many women in chemical engineering these days, and civil and mechanical seem to have their share.
I regularly read how women get treated badly by the males in the software and electronics fields, so maybe the lack of female engineers there is the fault of male chauvinists?
I have yet to even meet a female engineer
That seems to vary with the industry. There are many women in chemical engineering these days, and civil and mechanical seem to have their share.
I regularly read how women get treated badly by the males in the software and electronics fields, so maybe the lack of female engineers there is the fault of male chauvinists?
The lack of women in engineering has NOTHING to do with male chauvinism. I have never seen women engineers get treated badly anywhere in this country. How many women design and build circuits at home as a hobby? My guess is almost none. It is nothing to do with chauvinism.
The same argument is made about why there are so few women in software engineering, but it is easy to disprove. Firstly, women interesting in engineering tell us they face sexism and it puts them off. Secondly, there used to be more women in engineering. Particularly in software engineering the number of women graduating now is about half what it was only 10-15 years ago. It seems unlikely that in such a short space of time women would have evolved to be less interested, so the only logical conclusion is that some societal/environmental factor is the cause.
I had to work with a member of the bra burning feminist militia some years ago. This one was a nasty piece of work, and most blokes steered well clear. Fortunately she was not in my department... I was in engineering, she was in finance. One day, at her desk I gave her a diskette and kindly asked her to copy a file off her PC for me. She snapped, "You put the diskette in! You think just because I am a woman I have to do your dirty work?" Needing the data urgently and not having time for an argument, I pushed the diskette into the drive and copied the data myself. About 3 weeks later I walked past the bra burner's desk and saw a poster with a picture of a topless male on the wall. I ordered her to remove it immediately, else I would lodge a complaint against her for sexual harassment for displaying a photo of a topless man. She had no alternative but to remove it. I gave back her own medicine. Justice had been served.
That isn't a feminist, that's a crazy person.
Are you a feminist? That's so cute.
No, I'm a troll troller. U mad bro?
That is a feminist and a natural born leader of the movement.
Since one of the basic tenets of feminism is respect for both genders and creating a non-sexist environment no feminist would put up pictures of topless men in their workplace. Your ignorance is quite astounding, and I suspect she may have (successfully) trolled you. The combination of ignorance and hatred of feminism makes you an easy target.
I regularly read how women get treated badly by the males in the software and electronics fields, so maybe the lack of female engineers there is the fault of male chauvinists?
More likely we have deep cultural problems here that no-one will admit to. Something is wrong when electronics engineering is skewed based upon gender and race. There should be as many women designing and building circuits as men, both professionally and at home as a hobby. And proportionally as many Aborigines doing electronics as the rest of us.
Particularly in software engineering the number of women graduating now is about half what it was only 10-15 years ago. It seems unlikely that in such a short space of time women would have evolved to be less interested, so the only logical conclusion is that some societal/environmental factor is the cause.
I have seen this in action, when I was training. 2 women in the group, and they basically were bussed in in the morning from another place, spent class with us but were segregated, and were bussed out afterwards. No mingling with the rest of the group, based on orders from higher up.
Some professions will always be predominantly masculine and other predominantly feminine.
What the hell is this, the 17th century? (or a modern day hard core Islamic country, which is the same thing) >:(
In primary education in the US, women are the overwhelming majority. Men in that field tend to be presumed to be homosexual or possibly a latent pedophile.
Now that I think about it, there were two male teachers I can recall that were suspended for inappropriate behavior around teen aged girls when I went to school. One of them I do recall being a little creepy.
There was another time I remember a girl in my 5th grade class telling me a male substitute teacher's hand brushed against her rear end while walking down the hallway and she said as he walked away, he licked his finger.
I suppose these stories don't help their cause much.
I have seen this in action, when I was training. 2 women in the group, and they basically were bussed in in the morning from another place, spent class with us but were segregated, and were bussed out afterwards. No mingling with the rest of the group, based on orders from higher up.
What the hell is this, the 17th century? (or a modern day hard core Islamic country, which is the same thing) >:(
I regularly read how women get treated badly by the males in the software and electronics fields, so maybe the lack of female engineers there is the fault of male chauvinists?
I doubt that, as most females who would consider electronics likely wouldn't have heard such stories. It just seems that naturally, through whatever social process, not as many girls are interested in electronics as boys.
Less females in electronics would likely be a similar reason as to why you don't get many male nurses, or child care workers, or pick your female dominated field of choice.
Because man and woman brain is wired differently. Even the sizes differ, the functions differ, and they are bombarded constantly with different hormones. And there is nothing wrong with this.Some professions will always be predominantly masculine and other predominantly feminine.
Why? Dare we say in print?
Some professions will always be predominantly masculine and other predominantly feminine.
Why? Dare we say in print?
I hear this a lot, but it can't account for why there used to be more female engineers graduating
Similarly there is a huge lack of male nurses and primary school teachers in the UK. We know exactly why, it's because men are discouraged from entering those professions.
Particularly when it comes to primary school education decades of scare stories about paedophiles lurking in every bush and large shrub have made men in general reluctant to have anything to do with kids. Ask yourself if you would volunteer to be a Scout Master in a few years time.
I don't like this and feel an effort should be made to change it.
I agree, being one of those exceptions myself. ;) It's unfortunate there isn't more balance, but if they just don't have the ability to...Because man and woman brain is wired differently. Even the sizes differ, the functions differ, and they are bombarded constantly with different hormones. And there is nothing wrong with this.Some professions will always be predominantly masculine and other predominantly feminine.
Why? Dare we say in print?
Man is less caring, less empathic, so there are less man teacher and nurse. They also usually don't give birth, at least I was told. Woman are not that good with logic and math, so there are less woman in engineering. And this is not bs, these are scientific facts, probably the result of the evolution. There are exceptions of course (Arnold schwarzenegger, Junior ;). And I'm sorry that I can speak freely and hurt all those people from the "church of equality".
Because man and woman brain is wired differently.... Woman are not that good with logic and math, so there are less woman in engineering. And this is not bs, these are scientific facts, probably the result of the evolution... And I'm sorry that I can speak freely and hurt all those people from the "church of equality".Some professions will always be predominantly masculine and other predominantly feminine.
Why? Dare we say in print?
Problem is that children seem to need male role models at a young age, and the lack of male primary school teachers is not good for them. Again, when young male teachers are asked why they don't go into primary schools they often express an interest but say they are put off by society's attitude towards them. One complain from a parent could ruin their career. There is no mystery here, you only have to ask.
What do you think is the reason then?
Surely you don't think it's because women get a hard time in the industry and "word has gotten around" so they are now all abandoning it?
I don't think it's so much that word has gotten around as they get a negative experience fairly early on in life. Stats clearly show they do well at school, but once they get up to college and university level they are put off by the culture. Women say this, it's no great mystery. Lecturers treat them differently, socially awkward classmates treat them differently.
Incidentally, he also didn't like Americanisms. For example, the work Kinescope, rather than cathode ray tube. Now never mind that the book was an American publication - it's still not right to sell it down here with such foul words uncensored, in addition to the picture of the lesbian. So he simply did what was logical, sensible and right, diligently striking out each instance of the offending word as he came across it!
[...] we know more women want to go into engineering, but are put off doing so.How do we know more want to be engineers and how do we know they're put off (i.e. demotivated by others and not the subject itself and own preferences)? Do you have any data?
I remember high school. There were more girls than boys in the school. At some point, at around 7th grade (~12 year old) you could chose which path you want to pursue. You could chose math, physics, literature, art, biology, etc.. and from that moment you had more classes of that subject, and the group learned separately. I chose math and physics. There were 90%+ male dominance at math an 100% male physics group. Later at university, 5% of the EE students were woman(at start. finish was 2-3%).I once worked with a female engineer who was very smart and became one of the best project engineers ever. She got things done and never missed a beat. But as dumb of dog**** when it came to practical things. I remember her trying to turn a heat-sink on TO-5 case and saying, "the pot is stuck". She was put in charge of a HP 3065. Her solution to fixing test failures was to remove the test! He electronics knowledge was dreadful.
Jesus... At the risk of repeating myself:
I think we actually agree here, it's just that this claim about feminists and the "PC brigade" never being happy until it is exactly 50/50 and everyone gets a medal is distracting us.
...On a side note: Blaming someone else using the straw man, in a post like this... Well that is something. And we want 50% straw woman also. Take it as a joke, I'm not serious ;)
I'm just saying, the man might have lived in a private hell ^^'
It was 50/50 in both classes.
you'd still have the fact that men and women have evolved differently, and therefore on average you are always going to end up with certain male and female dominated industries.
[...] we know more women want to go into engineering, but are put off doing so.How do we know more want to be engineers and how do we know they're put off (i.e. demotivated by others and not the subject itself and own preferences)? Do you have any data?
Because when we made an effort more women did go into those fields, and when there was a push back in the other direction the numbers declined again. How do you explain that?
As to what we do, helping people like you to understand the problem is a good start. What we were doing in the 80s and 90s worked too. More female role models in engineering, efforts to make the workplace more friendly to women so that they could plan on having a career even if they also wanted children (men never had to choose), teachers not assuming girls simply won't be interested in certain subjects and so ignoring them etc. I'm not really an expert, but the issues are well understood and written about, and the evidence that they were was linked to a few pages ago.
One aside: people living in places like Oceania, some counties in Western and Northern Europe and North America have a HUGELY distorted view when it comes to equality and political correctness.
Some food for thought:
Some food for thought:
A greedy evil, cigar smoking, mustache twirling, womanising, baby killing chauvinist CEO (who despite their vile evilness is intelligent) has two potential candidates to run their new research and development department.
One candidate is a woman who has a PhD in mathematics from Cambridge, an engineering degree from MIT and has a proven track record of leading development teams in creating top-selling products.
The other is also educated, has a BASc from Harvard, plays excellent golf, but has a track record of missing important deliverables and acting irresponsibly.
Which does the evil villain hire to service their overwhelming greed and evil?
We need children, we need a steady population
We need children, we need a steady population
Why?
The planet it pretty overpopulated as it is.
That thinking belongs to governments who run countries like a business that must show continual growth, it's ridiculous.
I would fully support anyone who chooses not to have kids.
[...] we know more women want to go into engineering, but are put off doing so.How do we know more want to be engineers and how do we know they're put off (i.e. demotivated by others and not the subject itself and own preferences)? Do you have any data?
...Almost anybody can get discriminated against in any job. In my engineering jobs I've seen sexism, racism, qualificationism, ageism, healthism (overweight people), smokeism, clothingism, attitudeism, and probably more, all usually in quite small amounts though. The vast majority of the time people are ranked on their performance and general likeability.
at around 7th grade (~12 year old) you could chose which path you want to pursue."I know: let's make everyone chose their life's path during puberty! I'm sure that's when they're best able to make that sort of decision!"
http://studyofwork.com/files/2012/10/NSF_Report_2012-101d98c.pdf (http://studyofwork.com/files/2012/10/NSF_Report_2012-101d98c.pdf)
Very detailed information in there.
Women comprise more than 20% of engineering school graduates, yet only 11% of practicing engineers
are women, despite decades of academic, federal, and employer interventions to address this gender gap.
Those who didn’t enter engineering after graduation:
A third said it was because of their perceptions of engineering as being inflexible or the engineering workplace culture as being non-supportive of women.
Smokeism? Should be more of it because smokers impact negatively on others. I have no problems discriminating against smokers whose breath stinks like dog manure or their clothes reek in the office. I have seen these drug addicts steal from their employer by going outside every half hour to have a smoke in the company time they are paid for. Don't want them around.
The Earth does not have a population problem.
Every country on Earth is aborting babies all over the place.
Well I guess you also didn't had the problem to chose a second language to start learning when you were 10, and a third when you were 12. Yes, you read it right, you had to, it was not optional. Maybe we shouldnt compare US education system to others because they are different.Quoteat around 7th grade (~12 year old) you could chose which path you want to pursue."I know: let's make everyone chose their life's path during puberty! I'm sure that's when they're best able to make that sort of decision!"
(although this decision point doesn't happen in the US till end of HS, ~18y.)
The Earth does not have a population problem. What we have a problem with is a lot of petty dictatorships playing games with peoples lives. Every country on Earth is aborting babies all over the place. Warlords in suits in Africa starve the population and bank the money they receive. You don't want continued growth then the last thing we need is engineers. So ladies don't become engineers.The Earth does have a population, and it's spelled resources, not land area. Sure, you could theoretically spread people out across the Earth and give everyone their x acres of land, but that's hardly realistic. And to make things worse, it's typically people in the poorest, most arid countries, that insist on plopping out babies to secure their future. In the rish parts of the world, the population growth is declining, and some times even entering a population decline.
You get absolutely no say over that, ever. It is the choice of the couple involved, it's none of your business, the end.Thank you, Dave. If you hadn't said that, I would!
Well I guess you also didn't had the problem to chose a second language to start learning when you were 10, and a third when you were 12. Yes, you read it right, you had to, it was not optional. Maybe we shouldnt compare US education system to others because they are different.Quoteat around 7th grade (~12 year old) you could chose which path you want to pursue."I know: let's make everyone chose their life's path during puberty! I'm sure that's when they're best able to make that sort of decision!"
(although this decision point doesn't happen in the US till end of HS, ~18y.)
And if you happen to be a woman (both in Europe and the US) then expect to be paid even less than your male counterparts.
Take a look at what is happening in Japan. I'm not talking about growth, I'm talking about maintaining the current level. If the population falls there are not enough people of working age to look after the older ones. It's a huge problem.
There are stats in there to show that it isn't the same as males, but that is missing the point. It's not really the percentage, it's the reason why they don't go into that field.
...Nothing wrong with it. But, it can have the biggest impact on your life. The country I was born has some serious issues (well, at least it is not communist anymore). 50% of the population below 30 years old wants to leave the country, and live abroad. Not everyone makes it, but 17% of the said age already did (!).
The Earth does not have a population problem.
Really?
Ok, take the current population and then bring everyone up to yours and my standard of living, as I think they should be entitled too. See how the planet copes then.
The Earth does not have a population problem.
Really?
Ok, take the current population and then bring everyone up to yours and my standard of living, as I think they should be entitled too. See how the planet copes then.
Do you think people who don't work as hard as you do should have your standard of living given to them?
I don't think anyone's entitled to anything. I find it very wrong when some people who choose not to work have higher standard of living than some people who work very hard.
Governments would rather spend money on people who can work and don't want to than people who want to work but can't find a job.
One of the other things that is big in the US now is raising the minimum wage. The argument is "People can't live on the current minimum wage" Well if two adults with kids both are full time employed at the minimum wage, then they are several thousand dollars per year above the poverty line. The majority people who are below the poverty line are the unemployed, not the underpaid.
I wasn't arguing that, I was merely pointing out that I'm not arguing for infinite growth, only a stable population.
As for global population, it is on target to level off at 11bn. Sounds scary but it is sustainable.
Current global population of over 7 billion is already two to three times higher than the sustainable level. Several recent studies show that Earth’s resources are enough to sustain only about 2 billion people at a European standard of living.
And I would argue that every on earth should have the same standard of living as we enjoy, or at least a decent one.
I wasn't arguing that, I was merely pointing out that I'm not arguing for infinite growth, only a stable population.
As for global population, it is on target to level off at 11bn. Sounds scary but it is sustainable.
No, it's not. Back to my original post - not if everyone has the same lifestyle that you and I enjoy. And I would argue that every on earth should have the same standard of living as we enjoy, or at least a decent one.
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable (http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable)QuoteCurrent global population of over 7 billion is already two to three times higher than the sustainable level. Several recent studies show that Earth’s resources are enough to sustain only about 2 billion people at a European standard of living.
Our current standard of living can be improved on my moving to cleaner, renewable sources of energy as the costs come down.
Equality will never happen. It is a dream and a lie.
Why? What entitled them to that?What entitled you to it? Being born in the right country?
I wasn't arguing that, I was merely pointing out that I'm not arguing for infinite growth, only a stable population.
As for global population, it is on target to level off at 11bn. Sounds scary but it is sustainable.
No, it's not. Back to my original post - not if everyone has the same lifestyle that you and I enjoy. And I would argue that every on earth should have the same standard of living as we enjoy, or at least a decent one.
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable (http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable)QuoteCurrent global population of over 7 billion is already two to three times higher than the sustainable level. Several recent studies show that Earth’s resources are enough to sustain only about 2 billion people at a European standard of living.
Equality will never happen. It is a dream and a lie. Most of the worlds's population live under corrupt governments that give persons of wealth more privilege and more opportunity to pocket more loot than their fair share. These countries are run by the rich for the rich. Some preach the lie of communism to control the masses. Others preach lie of democracy, but know it is the rich who has the loudest voice.
An indiscriminate virus that wipes out most of the world's population is the fairest way to resolve the world's overpopulation problem. Irrespective of race, wealth or status.
Freedom and liberty are some of the first things lost when equality is enforced.
I don't think you can assume all these people will want to live like a European or American. Even a lot of Europeans and Americans don't want to live like this.
Freedom and liberty are some of the first things lost when equality is enforced.
Freedom and liberty are some of the first things lost when equality is enforced.
Most people don't know what freedom is; especially those who think they have it.
I would say that the majority of poverty is due to tyrannical governments with absolute power, and these governments are SUPPORTED by nations like the USA and China, they are called "democratic" when they are not, and in exchange for this, American and Chinese interests (among others) have carte blanche to move in and pillage the county's natural resources.
I would say that the majority of poverty is due to tyrannical governments with absolute power, and these governments are SUPPORTED by nations like the USA and China, they are called "democratic" when they are not, and in exchange for this, American and Chinese interests (among others) have carte blanche to move in and pillage the county's natural resources.
It's the old blame-america-first routine. A very common narrative by the lefties. Let me guess, those third world countries were flourishing democracies before the US got involved.
Take real examples like Italy, Germany and Japan. The US set a democratic regimes and let them go free just as it did in Iraq. It's not the US, it's the political culture of those countries.
(Who cares if they are Psychopaths?,They're our Psychopaths!)
If Dubya had wanted Iraq's oil,
morphed into the Taliban!
I would say that the majority of poverty is due to tyrannical governments with absolute power, and these governments are SUPPORTED by nations like the USA and China, they are called "democratic" when they are not, and in exchange for this, American and Chinese interests (among others) have carte blanche to move in and pillage the county's natural resources.
It's the old blame-america-first routine. A very common narrative by the lefties. Let me guess, those third world countries were flourishing democracies before the US got involved.
Take real examples like Italy, Germany and Japan. The US set a democratic regimes and let them go free just as it did in Iraq. It's not the US, it's the political culture of those countries.
The examples you give are substantially pre Cold War,although the onset of that conflict allowed some War Criminals to escape justice.
(Who cares if they are Psychopaths?,They're our Psychopaths!)
During the Cold War period,the USA & the old USSR supported some pretty horrific Governments,including,on the USA side,Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq,&,on the USSR side,that of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.
Of course,the UK & France also got into the act,"white-anting" popular democratic Governments who didn't think giving away their resources for a pittance was a good thing,& in some cases,actively being involved in their overthrow.
It was a fine time for Dictators,though,all they needed was to pretend to "tilt" towards one Bloc,for the other one to be there offering all sorts of inducements.
All those high tech weapons came in very handy for suppressing internal opposition,too!
The USSR even helped the Argentinian Junta in the Falklands/Malvinas War with satellite intelligence.
This,at a time when the Junta was murdering Democrats,Socialists,& Communists in their hundreds.
Of course,the PRC was there,too,supporting one of the most evil regimes of modern times in the form of the Khmer Rouge---they make North Korea look like a holiday camp!
Poor old Saddam didn't realise the game had changed when he invaded Kuwait iprior to the the 1993 war.
The USSR just sat back & didn't interfere when Desert Storm erupted.
People talk a lot of crap about the 2003 Iraq War-----If Dubya had wanted Iraq's oil,he could have made a separate agreement with Saddam to take all the oil they could produce,& broken the back of OPEC at the same time.
George was never that devious a man,though!----I'm sure Richard Nixon in a similar position,would have thought about it!
Of course,the biggest mistake was in thinking "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"!
All sorts of "spivs" were waiting in the wings to take over in Iraq,whilst the "Heroic Mujihadeen" who fought the USSR in Afghanistan quickly morphed into the Taliban!
The examples you give are substantially pre Cold War,although the onset of that conflict allowed some War Criminals to escape justice.
(Who cares if they are Psychopaths?,They're our Psychopaths!)
During the Cold War period,the USA & the old USSR supported some pretty horrific Governments,including,on the USA side,Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq,&,on the USSR side,that of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.
Of course,the UK & France also got into the act,"white-anting" popular democratic Governments who didn't think giving away their resources for a pittance was a good thing,& in some cases,actively being involved in their overthrow.
It was a fine time for Dictators,though,all they needed was to pretend to "tilt" towards one Bloc,for the other one to be there offering all sorts of inducements.
All those high tech weapons came in very handy for suppressing internal opposition,too!
The USSR even helped the Argentinian Junta in the Falklands/Malvinas War with satellite intelligence.
This,at a time when the Junta was murdering Democrats,Socialists,& Communists in their hundreds.
Of course,the PRC was there,too,supporting one of the most evil regimes of modern times in the form of the Khmer Rouge---they make North Korea look like a holiday camp!
Poor old Saddam didn't realise the game had changed when he invaded Kuwait iprior to the the 1993 war.
The USSR just sat back & didn't interfere when Desert Storm erupted.
People talk a lot of crap about the 2003 Iraq War-----If Dubya had wanted Iraq's oil,he could have made a separate agreement with Saddam to take all the oil they could produce,& broken the back of OPEC at the same time.
George was never that devious a man,though!----I'm sure Richard Nixon in a similar position,would have thought about it!
Of course,the biggest mistake was in thinking "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"!
All sorts of "spivs" were waiting in the wings to take over in Iraq,whilst the "Heroic Mujihadeen" who fought the USSR in Afghanistan quickly morphed into the Taliban!
Interesting, in your long rant you blame everybody except for the locals that keep killing and oppressing each other. This is very typical for the left, they stick to their successful-bad-unsuccessful-good narrative while ignoring facts and misplacing the blame.
vk6zgo, you can bring the donkey to the water but you cannot force it to drink. Some cultures are incompatible with democracy and plurality and it does not help if somebody takes their dictator down, they will keep killing each other and will form of authoritarian government (e.g. see the recent example in Egypt). It's up the locals to establish a lawful and tolerant society but the left typically rush to blame the US.
A good documentary to watch or book to read is Robert Reich's "Inequality For All". ...
A billionaire only needs 4 pairs of jeans.
QuoteA good documentary to watch or book to read is Robert Reich's "Inequality For All". ...
I hope those advocates of equality should start taking actions on their own, rather than telling us to cure inequality for them. Warren, Reich and Piketty are a good starting point, :)QuoteA billionaire only needs 4 pairs of jeans.
And anyone should have no more than 1 DT830 meter; Or no more than 1hr of internet connection per month; Or 10 square meters of dwelling space; Or $2 income per day; ...
Comparing to those poor folks in Africa or Asia or Amazon, ..., 99.999999% of the population are effectively "billionaires" and top 0.001%.
Let's start bring down inequality there.
:)
Those crazy talks of "inequality" have one goal: to make everyone poor. Look at Europe, America over the last 200 years, and Russia / China over the last 30 years. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything in human history. Yes, it is not perfect. But it has been very effective.
And anyone should have no more than 1 DT830 meter;
And anyone should have no more than 1 DT830 meter;
+1
I am tired of the inequality in these forums, both in equipment and skills.
...
"Look,Mate,when "the Day of Freedom" comes,you'll do as you're bloody well told!!"
Do I have to have a DT830,when I am quite happy with my Fluke 77?
...
"Look,Mate,when "the Day of Freedom" comes,you'll do as you're bloody well told!!"
Yes, that's socialism.
Typically people compare capitalism vs socialism. I see it more as personal liberty vs socialism. Capitalism is just a typical outcome when people are free.
If it's not about Sexism in technical literature, it doesn't belong in this thread.
To get us back on topic: http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201 (http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201)
Skeptical explains the problem well.
Hello,
currently I am reading An introduction to parallel programming book and it's about how to program and stuff, you know, in strict technical terminology. And when author wants to say something like: the user writes this and that, program works like this... And this is writen from a women perspective (in my mind it means like "stupid" first time user of something)QuoteOne of the purposes of MPI_Init is to define a communicator that consists of all of the processes started by the user when she started the program.
And these references are everywhere in the book. I am not native english speaker and I find it funny and sexist I suppose :D
What do you think about this, is it common in technical literature? I don't read it much in english and come across it for the first time.
the OP's post doesn't really show sexism other than his/her view.
To get us back on topic: http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201 (http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201)
Skeptical explains the problem well.
By this logic this woman that said that Dave is "so cute" is a sexist person and he has the right to be offended.Things don't happen in a vacuum. If Dave was called cute so often that he'd be conditioned to always act cute as not to break the expectations of his surroundings, then yes, he would have a right to be offended. Finding a single instance of someone calling Dave cute proves exactly nothing.
http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html (http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html)
By this logic this woman that said that Dave is "so cute" is a sexist person and he has the right to be offended.
http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html (http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html)
Yes, it is sexist.
:palm:
It's called a compliment.
It's called a compliment.
It's called a compliment.
But this does not fit the oppressor/victim narrative.
To some 'scholars' this is precisely the point, because Dave is a man he can only be an oppressor...
To some 'scholars' this is precisely the point
One of the things feminism tries to challenge is the idea that emotions make a person weak or unreliable. In other words, feminists feel that emotions are a good thing and that the macho "hide your emotions" stuff is nonsense.
You really are ignorant, aren't you? :palm:
This all started when we gave them the vote, you know.
This all started when we gave them the vote, you know.
Back to the original point: how to encourage men not to be afraid to actually learn about feminism (and not run away in terror when confronted with concepts like separatist feminism).
Back to the original point: how to encourage men not to be afraid to actually learn about feminism (and not run away in terror when confronted with concepts like separatist feminism).
Live your life and let other live their.
If only you actually lived by that mantra...
accommodate family needs yes, but pander to women that whinge that they have a right to be a top company CEO AND raise children should be told to get lost and to read a biology book.
It's called a compliment.And if you're trying to present useful technical information, and a majority of the comments you receive are compliments of your physical appearance it can get old really fast. Not that people stop at compliments :-(
Wow, Limor looks really pretty in this video :) It's something about attractive geeks that gets me going.
love the shows. Have a huge crush on ladyada. cant wait for your new shop. keep up the good work.
Lets get married Jeri - because I fell in love. LOL . Thee MOST interesting woman on earth.
I love you
yes sadly plenty of men never grow up and as soon they they start using the "lower brain" they start acting like real jerks, sadly so many men use the lower brain most of the time so generally merit the criticism and give the few decent blokes a bad name too.
Oh, wait, so what you are saying is that there IS a problem and we do need to change things... Presumably you retract your earlier statement that there isn't a problem and we should all just shut up about it?
well if they keep wihiging like they have been done a personal injustice what are we to assume. Oh men get paid more than me because I chose to have kids..... well darling I get pay rises and advance because i spend time on the job working rather than having kids, both have merit but I'd never dream of expecting to do both.
That's exactly the problem. Simply spending more time doing something is a crap metric of performance and merit, and besides which career advancement is rarely based on merit anyway. What you are really saying is that even though we, as a society, need children and it is in our best interests to have them brought up well you think that because of biology they are someone else's problem and you can benefit by not contributing at all.
This kind of thinking is also what leads to people not wanting to hire women because they think they might get pregnant in the next few years. You have a womb, therefore you are inferior to a man because you might want maternity leave or to go home at 5 o'clock. The fact that you patronise them with the use of "darling" is a dead give-away too. It's pretty much the equivalent of calling a black man "boy".
About CEOs, the boss of the boss of the boss of my boss is a she, and she does an awesome job and handles a vast chunk of a multi billion dollar company. Well not too vast, just about a couple of billion that she is responsible for.
And yeah, she makes the big bucks!
I have every interest in children being brought up properly because children are the future but you again put words in my mouth, if anything my opinion that women should be taken the required time to have children and not have a full blown career at the same time is because of that.
Well these days it is pretty hard for a single income family to buy a house or even rent a reasonable one. The average wage is about £24k, and you need a £50k joint income to really get anywhere. Of course it is much worse in London. So it isn't really a choice most families can make; both parents have to work. I too think it would be wonderful if all children could have one full time parent, but it just isn't possible.
So what you are saying is that women should choose between having a career and a home with a reasonable standard of living, and children but having to live with housing benefits in shitty rented accommodation because their husband's wage isn't enough on its own. If the husband loses his job then they are really screwed.
Besides which, why shouldn't someone be able to choose to have a career and children? Not just a women, a man could decide to always leave work at 5 to pick the kids up, and to take maximum paternity leave etc. If you really think bringing up children well is important then why penalize people for doing it? Why discourage them by saying it should harm their careers? Isn't bringing up children a noble and worthwhile thing in itself, which society should recognize? The alternative is either poor parenting or the government forking out for high quality childcare, and either way you will end up paying for it.
So what you are saying is that women should choose between having a career and a home with a reasonable standard of living, and children but having to live with housing benefits in shitty rented accommodation because their husband's wage isn't enough on its own. If the husband loses his job then they are really screwed.
To get us back on topic: http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201 (http://hackaday.com/2014/05/16/augmented-reality-with-an-fpga/#comment-1470201)
Skeptical explains the problem well.
By this logic this woman that said that Dave is "so cute" is a sexist person and he has the right to be offended.
http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html (http://sarahs-muse.livejournal.com/1250167.html)
Ah, why have we got low wages ? how did we manage years ago when there was one earner only ? what would happen if 25% of the workforce became unavailable ? don't we have more worker supply than worker demand (forget what the government tell you) oh let me guess wages would go up but the individual wants to look after him or herself.
Are you seriously blaming women for low wages?QuoteMaking progress in your career means spending time at work, I'm not talking about overtime or long hours but actually being there, I am progressing by working normal hours or less but I work hard. If a man wants to take time out to look after his kids he can't expect to be gaining experience at work and building his career without being at work. I'm not particularly career orientated, but aim to make the most of my work and progress accordingly.
No one is saying it won't have any effect, but taking say a year out and then having some allowance or understanding to look after your kids shouldn't have a huge effect on your career. Delay it by a year at the most perhaps. It certainly shouldn't be a choice between career and kids.
To give you a concrete example there was a women on the radio a few years back who was a salesperson. She sold photocopiers to business clients, high salary, commission etc. She took maternity leave and when she came back all her clients had been given to other people and she basically ended up with a massive demotion. The courts ruled in her favour because maternity leave is viewed in the same way as statutory holiday or sick leave. You don't expect to come back and find your career ruined. Another women on the same programme was sacked about 30 minutes after getting an email from a friend congratulating her on her pregnancy. Turns our her boss was reading her email and made up some lame excuse to get rid of her, rather than allow her to take maternity leave.
QuoteIt's called a compliment.And if you're trying to present useful technical information, and a majority of the comments you receive are compliments of your physical appearance it can get old really fast. Not that people stop at compliments :-(
Try to find a Jerri Ellsworth or Lady Ada video on youtube where the comments don't include "propositions" of various sorts. It's embarrassing...QuoteWow, Limor looks really pretty in this video :) It's something about attractive geeks that gets me going.Quotelove the shows. Have a huge crush on ladyada. cant wait for your new shop. keep up the good work.QuoteLets get married Jeri - because I fell in love. LOL . Thee MOST interesting woman on earth.QuoteI love you
Same for Fran Blanche videos too. Video about original piece of Apollo guidance hardware(so awesome!) .
It's embarrassing...
Could not watch it for more than a few minutes. She talks slow, pauses between sentences and makes faces. Very bad delivery.
I assume you have done better, right? Or were you just being your usual nice guy self?
I assume you have done better, right? Or were you just being your usual nice guy self?
Fallacy alert. One does not need to have outdone someone personally in order to have a valid criticism of that person.
Anyway, his comment was an obvious troll.
Try to find a Jerri Ellsworth or Lady Ada video on youtube where the comments don't include "propositions" of various sorts. It's embarrassing...QuoteWow, Limor looks really pretty in this video :) It's something about attractive geeks that gets me going.Quotelove the shows. Have a huge crush on ladyada. cant wait for your new shop. keep up the good work.QuoteLets get married Jeri - because I fell in love. LOL . Thee MOST interesting woman on earth.QuoteI love you
Anyway, his comment was an obvious troll.
BTW, my favorite wife is a woman.
In a strictly platonic sense.
"He" would be a gender neutral word
Personal experience colors everything.
Of course this doesn't mean women shouldn't be allowed to contribute to economic growth, just as men shouldn't be excluded from childcare but most of the time it makes more sense for women to devote more time to raising children and men to making money.Or in short, promote equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
what is tubal litigation ?That's when you sue the fallopian tubes for producing eggs. Tubal ligation on the other hand is a form of sterilization where you tie the fallopian tubes to prevent eggs from reaching the uterus.
GK: I'm guessing that's not a photo of yourself in the avatar...?
what is tubal litigation ?That's when you sue the fallopian tubes for producing eggs. Tubal ligation on the other hand is a form of sterilization where you tie the fallopian tubes to prevent eggs from reaching the uterus.
I think many guys would be surprised at how many very smart, very attractive women are walking around dejected, cold, frustrated and deeply hurt because everyone focusses on their looks or on some false mental image of them while completely ignoring the person they are.
Send a few my way then, the problem is that we are all taught in society to have high expectations of a mate because it's all a race and a game to win the hottest partner (either sex) and impress our friends etc so many an opportunity to meet someone is missed as unless the right boxes are ticked it's a no go, instead of just being happy to talk to people and be friendly.
When it comes to sad people on youtube that are only interested in fantasizing, sadly one of the things men do wasting time and being assholes, but on the internet they have less inhibitions. I think it's also a given that most geeks in the old sense of the word (not the I'm an apple fan type) are in fact people on the autistic spectrum / have asperges but undiagnosed that find interaction with people difficult and generally find it very hard to impress girls in just the right way to get their interested and will tend to have such online outbursts. Of course you get people from some countries where talking about sex is tabu and they just let all inhibitions go on the internet because they can.
Ok let the storms rage against me now.........
Traditionally a woman would have have her husband, to support her financially whilst she raises the children. It isn't sexist, it's just the way nature made the human species. Raising children is a very important role in society, much more important than economic growth and it happens women have evoked to do this much better than men.
QuoteTraditionally a woman would have have her husband, to support her financially whilst she raises the children. It isn't sexist, it's just the way nature made the human species. Raising children is a very important role in society, much more important than economic growth and it happens women have evoked to do this much better than men.
It's not "nature", it's "society" and "religion", both created "tradition" and that statement that Women should be more concerned about Child thing and let Men do real work.
Then comes, maybe, the biological connexion between the mother and child (that she carried for 9 months into her biological system with obvious consequences).
I'm pretty sure there're (were) some Human societies that can prove the exact oposite of what you're saying.
Regarding youtube commenters, well it's the exact addition of testosterone and stupidity.
Send a few my way then, the problem is that we are all taught in society to have high expectations of a mate because it's all a race and a game to win the hottest partner (either sex) and impress our friends etc so many an opportunity to meet someone is missed as unless the right boxes are ticked it's a no go, instead of just being happy to talk to people and be friendly.
When it comes to sad people on youtube that are only interested in fantasizing, sadly one of the things men do wasting time and being assholes, but on the internet they have less inhibitions. I think it's also a given that most geeks in the old sense of the word (not the I'm an apple fan type) are in fact people on the autistic spectrum / have asperges but undiagnosed that find interaction with people difficult and generally find it very hard to impress girls in just the right way to get their interested and will tend to have such online outbursts. Of course you get people from some countries where talking about sex is tabu and they just let all inhibitions go on the internet because they can.
Ok let the storms rage against me now.........
One of these days, your balls will drop and you'll realize how far off you are.
You don't fall in love just by looks, that's not love is called something else (lust) so if you are ok to fall in lust, that's up to you, but maybe when you turn 40 or hopefully on your 30's you'll see the light.
It's quite alright, we all went through all of this before.
Edit: hint, geek it's been "in" for quite a while now.
Yea I don't keep up with the times or fashion being the old type of "geek".
if you look at a few american or british films/tv programs from the 80's you will see geeks/nerds who are what today would be diagnosed with aspergers/autistic spectrum because the asperges end of the autistic spectrum was only discovered in the early 80's, until then they were nerds and weirdo's maybe the ones that get on better are called geeks.......
But all of that does not take away from the fact that plenty of men are just pigs or can't stop thinking with their dicks
I think many guys would be surprised at how many very smart, very attractive women are walking around dejected, cold, frustrated and deeply hurt because everyone focusses on their looks or on some false mental image of them while completely ignoring the person they are.
Send a few my way then, the problem is that we are all taught in society to have high expectations of a mate because it's all a race and a game to win the hottest partner (either sex) and impress our friends etc so many an opportunity to meet someone is missed as unless the right boxes are ticked it's a no go, instead of just being happy to talk to people and be friendly.
... I think it's also a given that most geeks in the old sense of the word (not the I'm an apple fan type) are in fact people on the autistic spectrum / have asperges but undiagnosed that find interaction with people difficult and generally find it very hard to impress girls in just the right way to get their interested and will tend to have such online outbursts.
if you look at a few american or british films/tv programs from the 80's you will see geeks/nerds who are what today would be diagnosed with aspergers/autistic spectrum because the asperges end of the autistic spectrum was only discovered in the early 80's, until then they were nerds and weirdo's maybe the ones that get on better are called geeks.......
But all of that does not take away from the fact that plenty of men are just pigs or can't stop thinking with their dicks
We had here recently a case of an asperger kid that did not get enough attention from the girls so he went and killed a few girls and more popular boys. Play the video here, he is amazingly honest and articulate.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-suspected-santa-barbara-killers-disturbing-youtube-manifesto/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-suspected-santa-barbara-killers-disturbing-youtube-manifesto/)
Some guys have to get over the following:
1) Someone who isn't into you when you're acting totally like yourself, warts and all, really isn't right for you; how could it ever work? Isn't it stupid to spend energy putting on an uncomfortable act to spend time with someone who wouldn't like who you really are?
2) What women really like is a man who is himself with confidence, and the sort of men women like is wide and varied and truly has little to do with what popular media portrays, but the media does make being yourself seem more risky.
3) Certain guys also need to learn to recognise when a woman they're into is also into them and BELIEVE IT, while at the same time recognise when a woman's only being friendly and that if a woman isn't into *them* *that way*, it's not because there's something wring with the woman or themselves. Rejection has never killed anyone.
P.S. Any woman who has romantic feelings for you, but doesn't engage because of what her friends or peers might think has a lot of growing up to do and wouldn't make a good partner, and *certainly* wouldn't make a good wife.
I'm sure a lot of my rambling applies to other gender-combinations but probably not exactly.
3) Certain guys also need to learn to recognise when a woman they're into is also into them and BELIEVE IT, while at the same time recognise when a woman's only being friendly and that if a woman isn't into *them* *that way*, it's not because there's something wring with the woman or themselves. Rejection has never killed anyone.
P.S. Any woman who has romantic feelings for you, but doesn't engage because of what her friends or peers might think has a lot of growing up to do and wouldn't make a good partner, and *certainly* wouldn't make a good wife.
I'm sure a lot of my rambling applies to other gender-combinations but probably not exactly.
If someone said that to me, I would be proud - that they like my work. Nothing wrong with people loving me - the more the merrier.Well gee, danny; you should put up an avatar picture of you in a good suit, or maybe showing a little skin (you know what I mean!) (Don't forget to smile!) And perhaps you should be a bit, I dunno, "flirtier" in your postings..
Edit: I forgot the crucial start of the sentence (in bold):If someone said that to me, I would be proud - that they like my work. Nothing wrong with people loving me - the more the merrier.Well gee, danny; you should put up an avatar picture of you in a good suit, or maybe showing a little skin (you know what I mean!) (Don't forget to smile!) And perhaps you should be a bit, I dunno, "flirtier" in your postings..
We may be able to fight our instincts but we still have them and they are as strong as ever. The human body has changed very little since the stone age. Generally men are physically stronger than women, who still have to carry a baby for nine months and are able to breastfeed it.Try looking at the animal kingdom if you want an unbiased perspective, and yes I'm aware that male lions look after cubs while mothers go hunting but I'm guessing that is once cubs reach a certain age which is the parallel rational people on this thread have been drawing all along.....
The animal kingdom is the result of millions of years of evolution, and frankly I think we should have moved past mere animal instincts by now. In any case, there are plenty of examples of male animals taking on a primary care role, or the female being physically stronger or the main hunter. It just depends on the particular circumstances of the animal, and fortunately I think humans have moved a bit beyond just going by what we happened to evolve now.
In 2003, the County of Los Angeles in California asked that manufacturers, suppliers and contractors to stop using "master" and "slave" terminology on its products [i.e. hard drives, etc.]. The controversial decision is taken by the county "based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County". Following outcries about the decision, the County of Los Angeles issued a statement saying that the decision was "nothing more than a request". Due to the controversy, the term was selected as the most politically incorrect word in 2004 by Global Language Monitor.
Give one example of a society where women make most of the wealth and men have the main role in childcare? You won't find one because it isn't natural in the human species.
Problems occur when society tries to medal with the natural order of things.
* there is evidence that all across the world, sleep patterns were very different just 2-3 centuries ago. Naps during the day were common enough that some businesses closed for 2-3 hours after lunch, and stayed open later. Also, there is evidence that people has "second sleeps" where they woke up after a few hours of sleep, for 1-2 hours, around midnight, then went back to sleep in early morning. There's evidence of that, but no proof. Folks just wrote about their days as if it were common knowledge, and they never seem to go into detail about it. Thus, we, just 200-300 years later, have very little idea how people slept, woke, and went their lives on a day to day basis.
GK: I'm guessing that's not a photo of yourself in the avatar...?
Correct.
That is one of the most unreal things I've read in a while.For goodness sake. No one here is justifying rape, which I doubt would've been tolerated by cavemen anyway: you rape my sister and my whole family will beat you to a pulp.
People confuse the "natural order of things" and "my preferred order of things" all the time. Once a social species achieves the ability to do what it wants (as soon as things like recreation become common; there's enough communal safety and time) the society is no longer a slave to natural processes, and a society that uses nature or tradition to excuse modern dumb-ass behavior and thinking isn't really a society with a defensible position. I'm looking at you, middle-eastern cultures.
I was in jury duty once over a rape case. The rapist felt it was his right to rape anyone anywhere at any time because that's what cavemen did. We don't know how "cavemen" behaved sexually, for one thing. We don't even know what human sleep patterns were like 200 years ago*, so forget prehistoric humans and their gender roles.
The practices and beliefs of the past carried forth to today because "it's natural," or because of tradition, shows a complete lack of understanding in the progress made between the past and the present.
* there is evidence that all across the world, sleep patterns were very different just 2-3 centuries ago. Naps during the day were common enough that some businesses closed for 2-3 hours after lunch, and stayed open later. Also, there is evidence that people has "second sleeps" where they woke up after a few hours of sleep, for 1-2 hours, around midnight, then went back to sleep in early morning. There's evidence of that, but no proof. Folks just wrote about their days as if it were common knowledge, and they never seem to go into detail about it. Thus, we, just 200-300 years later, have very little idea how people slept, woke, and went their lives on a day to day basis.
So, when talking about human behavior, sexual orientation, or gender roles, saying that something is the natural order of things means that it's really just what you believe in, and you should just say that, instead.
I still refer to my first wife as my 'starter wife'. Does that make me a sexist?