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DiTBho:
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So, I was looking for a spectrum analyzer on eBay and found a good one.
Unfortunately abroad, expensive importing fees and shipping cost.
I contacted the seller to have some more info ( and pic ), and he accepted to talk on WhatsApp.

When we talked about the payment I offered PayPal and his reaction went immediately crazy like a deranded dog on speed with nothing but an exclusive ultimatum:
- PayPal only with "friends or family"
- eBay paymment

The eBay paymment redirects me to PayPal, so I asked which is the difference?
It's PayPal in both cases. Just, passing through eBay means more money for me.
And he blocked me on WhatsApp and eBay with nothing but "PayPal is fraudulent, ebay is not".

How did I pay for my new DSO?
Rigol accepted Paypal. Was it fraudulent?

How did I pay for my new CP400?
Casio accepted PayPal. Was it fraudulent?

Etc ...

I don't think eBay offers more "protection"  :-//

tom66:
My guess is he's been scammed in the past by people just sending a normal PayPal transfer for goods and these are not associated with a transaction.  You can send money under other than the friends/family moniker for goods but unless there's a precise description of goods, PayPal may not cover the seller's claim.  eBay take a cut of the transaction fee in part to cover the liability to sellers from fraud.  So it costs more because both buyer and seller get some protection (though definitely more in favour of the buyer)

Ice-Tea:
eBay offers an additional layer of protection/leverage if needed. But normally, it's the buyer that should be worried, not so much the seller. So, that's a bit odd. On the other hand: the world is full of wonderful new ways to rip people off so you can't really blame him for being cautious...

Jackster:
eBay seller here.

eBay moved to eBay payments a couple years ago for a lot of places.
They still offer PayPal but the the transaction goes via eBay payments.

PayPal has a history of being over protective of the buyer (more so than eBay) so a lot of sellers will only accept eBay payments now (even with eBays fees) as it is slightly more fair towards sellers.

The seller has probably had a bad experience with PayPal so no longer accepts payments via them.
PayPal also sometimes charges sellers if the buyer does a chargeback.

PayPal is also the payment provider of choice for scammers...

nctnico:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 28, 2022, 01:14:42 pm ---My guess is he's been scammed in the past by people just sending a normal PayPal transfer for goods and these are not associated with a transaction.  You can send money under other than the friends/family moniker for goods but unless there's a precise description of goods, PayPal may not cover the seller's claim.  eBay take a cut of the transaction fee in part to cover the liability to sellers from fraud.  So it costs more because both buyer and seller get some protection (though definitely more in favour of the buyer)

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This! It is rather foolish to propose to a seller to do a transaction outside Ebay. That is straight from a scammer's playbook.

If you want to make a better deal, figure out whether the seller is a company that is also setup to deal with customers directly. If yes, you can contact them through email or phone and propose to buy an item they have listed on Ebay directly. But again: you can't combine buying something from Ebay with the financial transaction bypassing Ebay.

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