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Should the EEVblog Forum go private to prevent the robot uprising?

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MT:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on March 15, 2023, 12:16:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---Interesting , had no idea, a link to such?

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Here is one and here is another


--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---However i presume it's going to be much worse when ChatGPT start "asking" questions.  :scared:

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That would be interesting. That the AI takes up learning in a different way, by asking specific questions instead of searching the internet.

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What if Chatgpt in that thread are both the ask'er and the answer'er. It looks quite funky! :)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/copy-program-to-eprom-and-run-what-form/msg4754519/#msg4754519

Berni:
Don't think that would really help much.

Most of this forum is likely already scraped as training data by multiple large companies. So closing it down for guest users would only result in throwing away the excellent marketing of this site showing up in google results a lot.

There was one site with a lot of coding examples (not stackoverflow) that would show up a lot in google for web development stuff. So they saw this as an opportunity and made it mandatory to log in, the result was a bunch of angry guest users and the site quickly falling out of google search results, because people would see the need for login, hit back, then click another result.

The problematic part is AI generated posts on sites like this forum. This dilutes the more creative posts from real users and can be used for nefarious purposes by getting legitimate accounts for posting spam. Automatically detecting AI generated posts is possible but is an arm race, since new better (or just different) AI might not get picked up by the detectors until the newer detectors learn how the new AI looks like.


--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on March 15, 2023, 12:16:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---However i presume it's going to be much worse when ChatGPT start "asking" questions.  :scared:

--- End quote ---
That would be interesting. That the AI takes up learning in a different way, by asking specific questions instead of searching the internet.

--- End quote ---

ChatGPT can ask questions if you tell it to do that.

But this is not how these kinds of AIs actually learn. In order to learn it only needs to see examples of answers in the training data fed to it. The whole thing is just glorified statistics of how often a word appears after a given block of text. So just getting a single answer to a question is less useful for training an AI as compared to using 50 different answers to the same question pulled from all over the internet. The big pile of questions works better with statistics to extract out the core answer.

So little point in the AI asking questions, apart from trying to emulate a real user.

pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 01:00:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on March 15, 2023, 12:16:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---Interesting , had no idea, a link to such?

--- End quote ---

Here is one and here is another


--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---However i presume it's going to be much worse when ChatGPT start "asking" questions.  :scared:

--- End quote ---

That would be interesting. That the AI takes up learning in a different way, by asking specific questions instead of searching the internet.

--- End quote ---

What if Chatgpt in that thread are both the ask'er and the answer'er. It looks quite funky! :)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/copy-program-to-eprom-and-run-what-form/msg4754519/#msg4754519

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 :-DD

It is a bit suspicious that the original poster has not returned. But the original post does mention being translated by DeepL, which might explain the in comprehensive question.

The other posts of the renamed members (ChatGPT1 and 2) clearly show ChatGPT written al over it.

MT:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on March 15, 2023, 01:18:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 01:00:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on March 15, 2023, 12:16:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---Interesting , had no idea, a link to such?

--- End quote ---

Here is one and here is another


--- Quote from: MT on March 15, 2023, 11:51:32 am ---However i presume it's going to be much worse when ChatGPT start "asking" questions.  :scared:

--- End quote ---

That would be interesting. That the AI takes up learning in a different way, by asking specific questions instead of searching the internet.

--- End quote ---

What if Chatgpt in that thread are both the ask'er and the answer'er. It looks quite funky! :)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/copy-program-to-eprom-and-run-what-form/msg4754519/#msg4754519

--- End quote ---

 :-DD

It is a bit suspicious that the original poster has not returned. But the original post does mention being translated by DeepL, which might explain the in comprehensive question.
The other posts of the renamed members (ChatGPT1 and 2) clearly show ChatGPT written al over it.

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Thats ChatGPT attempt to conduct a "distraction" maneuver!  :)

tggzzz:
What does "private" allow/disallow?

If it disallows external search engine from allowing people to locate something, that would be a significant loss. The site's internal search engines aren't good enough, especially within large threads.

If it disallows abusive (in any sense of the word) posters, then it would be useful. But I don't think that would turn out to be any better than the existing users sending reports to the moderators.

Preventing this site being used as a training resource for attacks on this site? Isn't that a lost cause, and aren't there many other sites with training material that could be used to attack "us"?

Whether or not an "AI engine" can give better results than most people is a debate that has been going on for 40+ years.

Overall: keep the site open, but continually monitor the situation and continually reassess the policy as things change.

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