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Offline hussamaldeanTopic starter

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show us your ugly but flawless project
« on: October 31, 2018, 12:30:21 pm »
Hi all
I want you share with us your ugly project but function flawlessly

here I am


I did it like a year ago
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2018, 04:50:02 pm »
How do we know it works?

You have proven nothing! Show us your voltages! :-DMM :box:

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2018, 05:53:06 pm »
How do we know it works?

You have proven nothing! Show us your voltages! :-DMM :box:

 ;D
it does work because I've just used it for op-amp experiment :D
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2018, 06:05:06 pm »
What's on the inside?
Or is it too pretty to show in this thread?
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2018, 06:14:46 pm »
What's on the inside?
Or is it too pretty to show in this thread?
it is so pretty that it is so shy to show itself :P
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2018, 07:43:05 pm »
8)

 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 08:07:23 pm »
Wow, what's that?
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 08:10:12 pm »
All my projects are ugly and of course flawless  8)
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 08:21:45 pm »
Wow, what's that?

It was a time when I could do pulse motor from dead dingos donger :P It has reed switch, flyback diode, coil with core from bolt. Rotor is broken HDD with some magnets stuck to it. Hand picked materials to suppress eddy currents etc. Worked just fine connected to wall wart. In short - was visiting friend with some beers and asked what components do you have I wanna make a pulse motor NOW :-/O
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 11:59:42 pm »
I added a second NIC to a Pogoplug to make it a router. Even though the PCIe wiring wasn't done in the best way, it passed days of stability testing and has been in service at a relative's place for a few years.
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 12:08:26 am »
I added a second NIC to a Pogoplug to make it a router. Even though the PCIe wiring wasn't done in the best way, it passed days of stability testing and has been in service at a relative's place for a few years.
That's what I imagine Windows 10 source code to look like.
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2018, 04:23:12 am »
Wien bridge oscillator (None of this arbgen rubbish!). 20Hz ~ 20KHz, in three ranges. 20Vpp with a x10, x100 attenuator. 600  \$\Omega\$ output impedance.  Based on a modern version by Jim Williams of the legendary HP200A. There is a provision for a square wave based on the design of other HP oscillators but I haven't implemented it yet.

Ugly as frig. Works a treat.

 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2018, 05:57:38 am »
All my projects are ugly and of course flawless  8)
this is how boss rules :P
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2018, 06:01:18 am »
Wien bridge oscillator (None of this arbgen rubbish!). 20Hz ~ 20KHz, in three ranges. 20Vpp with a x10, x100 attenuator. 600  \$\Omega\$ output impedance.  Based on a modern version by Jim Williams of the legendary HP200A. There is a provision for a square wave based on the design of other HP oscillators but I haven't implemented it yet.

Ugly as frig. Works a treat.


or you should say
not of this PCB rubbish :P
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2018, 07:43:41 am »
Wien bridge oscillator (None of this arbgen rubbish!). 20Hz ~ 20KHz, in three ranges. 20Vpp with a x10, x100 attenuator. 600  \$\Omega\$ output impedance.  Based on a modern version by Jim Williams of the legendary HP200A. There is a provision for a square wave based on the design of other HP oscillators but I haven't implemented it yet.

Ugly as frig. Works a treat.



What?  What's not ugly at all.  Get out of this thread!

EDIT: First few seconds of this:
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2018, 10:53:37 am »
Hi,

I have a whole page of ugly stuff if someone is interested:

https://electronicprojectsforfun.wordpress.com/prototyping/

long live the Bronx construction style. Manhattan is for sissies :)
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2018, 03:49:48 pm »
How about this

https://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/albums/72157700957050681
my 100 watt flashlight build, its kinda fugly I guess.. not quite finished yet, have to figure out why the fan keeps stalling when its installed.. I suspect wires getting in the way.
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2018, 06:44:47 am »
Hi,

I have a whole page of ugly stuff if someone is interested:

https://electronicprojectsforfun.wordpress.com/prototyping/

long live the Bronx construction style. Manhattan is for sissies :)

Do prototypes count? I thought only "final" products were allowed.  >:D
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2018, 06:58:48 am »
Wolfgang, I like your work!
 
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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2018, 09:57:47 am »
Hi,

I have a whole page of ugly stuff if someone is interested:

https://electronicprojectsforfun.wordpress.com/prototyping/

long live the Bronx construction style. Manhattan is for sissies :)

Do prototypes count? I thought only "final" products were allowed.  >:D

I have to admit that some of my stuff never made it into "production" :)
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2018, 10:23:11 am »
Wolfgang, I like your work!

Thanks, Dubbie ! Having fun is the best reason to fiddle with tech stuff !
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2018, 10:38:42 am »
It has reed switch, flyback diode, coil with core from bolt. Rotor is broken HDD with some magnets stuck to it.

Forgot crucial detail that makes it flawless! Notice that weird blob taped to fork? It's a magnet to pre-bias reed switch :-+
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2018, 10:17:27 pm »
What?  What's not ugly at all.  Get out of this thread!

I'll take that as a compliment.  :D

You haven't seen the underside of the board.
 

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2018, 01:04:22 am »
I'll go for a twofer.

Pretty but flawed:



Lead acid battery charger, almost 200W (nominal 100W, but it limits closer to 200, who's counting?).

Pretty: PCB; enclosure; printed label; SMPS; the transformer is wound on a proper bobbin, with proper yellow polyester tape; EMI is quite low (extra filters in the enclosure, besides what's on the board).

Flaws: resistors, diodes and capacitors tack-soldered onto flying leads (the TO-220F is a snubber diode, formerly a UF5406 that desoldered itself; plopping in an SiC schottky shut it up!); the LED wires lack strain relief; the fan (and output side LED) is powered from a series dropping resistor from the output, so it's parasite-powered when left wired to the battery; etc.

Ugly but flawless:



Ugly: just look at it.  It's been sitting out on the project pile for years, neglected.  It's a mashup of PCB and deadbug construction. 

Flawless: it's a textbook example of the circuits used (and not in a bad way), it's efficient, it works great, and it's not very noisy (I wouldn't say silent, but more filtering can be added if that turns out to be necessary).  At least, last I recall from working on the project, again it's been a while.  Though, I may run out of available supply current once I build the next section, which would then be a pretty clear flaw.  Not sure.

Why is it a mashup?  What the heck is it?

It's the power supply to my old tube scope project.  So, rough specs:
120VAC input
CRT filament: 6.3V 0.6A (HF AC), HV isolated
CRT cathode and bias: -2000V 1mA, zener regulated
Heaters: 6.3V 10A
B+, B-: +/-250V 100mA
So, a bit over 100W total (maybe 2-3A mains fuse would be adequate).

The original circuit dating from 2010 was a forward converter,
https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Tubescope_Supply2.png
which I underestimated the transformer size required to pack in all the windings (at adequate wire ampacity plus room to keep the HV windings' impedance high).  Result, nasty overshoot on the HF windings.  The UF4007 melted right away.  Take two, doubled up diodes (two UF4007 in series for each diode shown).  Better, but one diode always got meltingly hot -- reverse recovery loss is always a runaway condition, it's just a matter of keeping temperature low enough that it doesn't actually tip over.  These... weren't.  Take three: with 5.6k (1W) + 100p dampers in parallel with each diode pair.  Helped reduce the peak voltage, but burned a lot of power, and the diodes still weren't feeling it.  (You can try to mitigate a bad transformer, but there's only one solution to the reactive power stored in its parasitic capacitance and stray inductance, and that is: not storing it in the first place.)

And yes, that was built on a hand made, single side PCB.  The biggest I had made to that point (4 x 8 inches), and on the only PCB stock I had at the time, which was embarrassingly thin.  So this big heavy power supply was also very floppy, out of its mounting bracket...

Much later, I picked up the project again, said fuck it, and literally cut the board in two, saving only the resonant HV circuit and mains rectifier and filter circuit.  With new PCB stock in hand, and a newly learned fondness for deadbug, I built a UC3843 based flyback supply, as basic as can be.  STW11NM80 switch (which I had a few leftover/salvaged from an earlier induction heater project), and learning lessons not just from the previous disaster transformer but also general design lessons (TLT theory is the most general and helpful approach), I designed the transformer windup so that no* common mode voltage appears between single-layer windings, giving maximum bandwidth -- sharp edges, so that when the transistor turns off, the secondary diodes catch almost instantly, without current flowing through common mode capacitance, bouncing around winding wire lengths.

*Still some, but only due to leakage, not the whole winding voltage.

And this worked great, except it had a tendency to 1. overheat the HV rectifier diodes anyway, and 2. run away and flame out the transistor.

Which was also fun for a secondary reason: the fuse took so long to clear (allowing the transistor to flame out, not just pop) because of the high impedance of the isolation transformer I was working on.  The lesson being: higher available fault current can actually be safer, when fuses are involved.  Limiting current to a low value, where a fuse may not blow at all, is rather more dangerous than leaving it unlimited!

So for my final step, I added a TC4420 at the gate to drive the shit out of the transistor, and a dV/dt snubber to ensure controlled commutation time and ringing.  I also changed the HV diodes to SiC schottky, which despite their higher capacitance (mainly at low voltages, which looks very much like reverse recovery, but over a wider voltage range, and which isn't lossy), have far lower losses, and better dynamics (less ringing).  Recovery really is just that much of a problem, even on fast recovery (~30ns) types.

Also you'll note, the HV filter caps are film (8.2uF 250V PE), mainly because I happened to have a bunch on hand, but they filter nicely, too.

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Re: show us your ugly but flawless project
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2018, 09:35:56 pm »
learning lessons not just from the previous disaster transformer but also general design lessons (TLT theory is the most general and helpful approach)

What's TLT theory?

 


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