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| HuronKing:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 14, 2022, 08:51:43 am ---In other words, Mehdi's behavior, at least on surface, was better than Lewin's. Which is also exactly why, if I have to place bets on who's the social manipulator, I will vote Mehdi. And now, this is getting a bit far-fetched, but if Mehdi's a real social manipulator, then he has also known beforehand Lewin's personality (which is all over his videos), and knew that: "buahaha, I will win if I keep my head cool, make my opponent angry by pulling the right knobs, so that he slips out insults; then I only have to ask a few professors to assess my claims, and get a report I can quote out of context." This is still not to say I'm 100% sure Mehdi is a social manipulator. I'm still 50-60% about this, and I will never be sure about this. Maybe things just went the way they did, with no bad intentions. But think about it! --- End quote --- What's irritating is that Mehdi didn't even wait for Dr. Belcher, whom Lewin suggested he go talk to, to answer his questions before releasing his initial video accusing Lewin of 'bad probing.' I could see why Lewin would be dismissive of Mehdi at face value, and then become outright contemptuous of Mehdi claiming an MSEE while refusing to see something that a 2nd year physics student learns (that line integrals are path dependent in non-conservative fields, the end). Did Mehdi even watch any of Lewin's other lectures in the course? Don't know! Then add onto it Mehdi's legions of literally millions of subscribers bombarding Lewin with hate-mail... and taking a victory lap and dragging Feynman along for the ride... it's really too much. And this is more than just a stupid internet drama to me. I am an EE educator. I teach power and motor lab courses and I ALWAYS have a handful of students who have seen Mehdi's videos on KVL and need to have the pseudoscience shaken out of their heads and so I include a vector calculus review and thorough discussion of Romer's paper as my first lecture. |
| Simon:
Unfortunately the electroboom channel speaks to the lower levels with it's constant epileptic fit provoking gags. This is why it's not a good idea to get more people into the field by appealing to their stupidity. You need to make sure the capable are given the chance no matter their socio economic standing. Then you will collect more. The people that electroboom's videos appeal to should maybe abstain from procreating! |
| tszaboo:
Guess what, KVL also doesn't hold, when a wire is hot, and thermionic emission happens. It doesn't mean it is useless. And who cares. Let grey haired physics professor rant on their own lectures. When I had a prof like this at university, I just stood up and took the class with another one, that was an engineer. |
| Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on January 14, 2022, 08:51:43 am ---In any case, it's up to Nominal Animal to prove his claim that this is a sockpuppet account. Do you actually have some information we others don't? Or are you just participating in these name calling social games you so much hate? Calling one a sockpuppet is no different from any other name calling that's going on. --- End quote --- Dammit, you're absolutely right. I guess certain words in the title ("ridiculous") and initial post ("nerd") just hit me in a sore spot. I find the original topic interesting (because there is no simple answer, since both approaches involve modeling the situation in a specific way, and it just isn't possible to say that one is superior to the other –– they are simply appropriate in different contexts), and maybe the combination of perceived insult and social manipulation tactics pushed me over the edge... but I do acknowledge that I have not contributed positively to the topic, and this is purely my own mistake and error, and I do apologize. (I do see the pot-kettle-black on my part here, too: I essentially made the same error as the OP of this thread. I have no proof OP had any kind of manipulative intent. Apologies for that, too. :-[) |
| HuronKing:
--- Quote from: Simon on January 14, 2022, 09:40:23 am ---Unfortunately the electroboom channel speaks to the lower levels with it's constant epileptic fit provoking gags. This is why it's not a good idea to get more people into the field by appealing to their stupidity. You need to make sure the capable are given the chance no matter their socio economic standing. Then you will collect more. The people that electroboom's videos appeal to should maybe abstain from procreating! --- End quote --- Indeed it does, but his narrative is seductive, even to budding engineers. "Lewin is an egg-headed physicist who doesn't do anything practical unlike us manly-men practically practical engineers!" Meanwhile, I'm there thinking, "Uhh... none of us could even take an Applied EM or a Motors course without first passing the MIT 8.02 equivalent..." And don't get me wrong. I used to wear my Full-Bridge Rectifier T-shirt because his shtick was funny and he wrapped up some nice rudimentary lessons in slapstick comedy. But nowadays I use his channel as a case study for my students about engineers becoming susceptible to pseudoscientific notions. I didn't even understand exactly what Lewin meant when he called Mehdi a Flat-Earther, but now I do. For most navigational purposes, we consider the Earth to be flat. It's a good approximation. No one takes the curvature of the planet into consideration when driving to work. 99% of the time - we are Flat-Earthers in practice, even if we pay lip-service to believing in the sphericity of the Earth, none of us need to know that in our daily lives. But that 1% of the time, when we step onto an airplane to fly across the planet, NOW the curvature of the Earth matters. So, we need spherical Earth science to navigate properly. KVL is our Flat-Earth approximation. Faraday's Law is the spherical Earth. KVL is just a special case of Faraday's Law and only holds in specific conditions and assumptions. Just like our spherical Earth can be considered to be locally flat under the right conditions. But when Mehdi claims KVL ALWAYS HOLDS... he's saying the Earth is always flat, all the time. And so now I share Lewin's outrage at Mehdi telling millions of viewers that the Earth is always flat... err... that KVL always holds. |
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