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https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ




It spies on your juice. Wonder fully built machines.
 

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Ignoring the whole juice DRM, and the fact that hardware relying on external servers is garbage, they buy a high voltage DC motor from a drill motor company and instead of getting them to throw a planetary gearbox that's 1/2 the size of the motor? or using a worm drive for a steep reduction, they put together a fancy custom machined gearbox?   Custom power supply for 330v   that's inaccessible to the user instead of rectified (and doubled in 120v land) mains?

It's not really a 330V motor, that was a mistaken (and foolish) guess based on the motor label.
 

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As was said in the video - should have made the plastic case clear, to show off the expensive machined parts inside.  ;)
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Champion makes a kickass juicer - This has always been the one I wanted. But super expensive.. Around $300

https://www.google.com/search?q=champion+juicer

We have a much less pricey one from Oster


Quote from: rrinker on 2017-04-23, 11:02:48
Know how we USED to do it? There was an attachment for my grandmother's stand mixer and you just sliced each orange in half and held it over the rotating attachment. Juice ran down the spout into the pitcher. Hardly any effort at all, and no fancy single task machine. They still make those.
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The "rsstroom" people were just too far ahead of their time, these days it would be a huge IoT startup: http://www.djspyhunter.com/teapot/2005/12/rsstroom-reader-toilet-paper-printer.html
 

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Why would something like that need a 330 V rail? :o :wtf:

I've worked on (the mechanical parts of) a piece of electric vehicle charging equipment that needed a 185 VDC rail to drive a load of LEDs in series (no idea why you'd need to do it this way?) but this is bonkers.
 

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So all the machine does is squish a bag of pulp? Why is it so complicated? Why not just make a hand roller like the ones for tooth paste tubes? Seems like a rube Goldberg way of doing things.
 

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So all the machine does is squish a bag of pulp? Why is it so complicated? Why not just make a hand roller like the ones for tooth paste tubes?

Because ... um ... well ... the thing is ... ah because ...

Just call it bling for your kitchen?
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It will save you time during your busy morning! You have to create a user id password and hope that your internet and smart phone are all working for it to squeeze a bag of juice? I really thought this was a spoof but its not, its real. I bet the camera takes a picture of you when you open the door like those new cocacola soda machines. What a waste of time money and plastic that goes into a landfill.
 

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Do the bags have to be refrigerated until used?

I say that because if that's not required I'm really shocked it doesn't have a clock/timer so you can load a bag, place an empty glass under it, and have it automatically squeeze it at a preset time. For all the engineering in there why not have that feature?  :-//
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So all the machine does is squish a bag of pulp? Why is it so complicated? Why not just make a hand roller like the ones for tooth paste tubes?

Because ... um ... well ... the thing is ... ah because ...

Just call it bling for your kitchen?

When I was watching the AVE video I kept asking myself "yeah but what else does it do? does it cool/heat the juice, filter, or process it? He's not explaining something. " Nope. I can't wait for the next useless product to come out. How about a device that monitors the condition of your ice cube trays to see if they have been tampered with or contain non proprietary water in them?
 
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So all the machine does is squish a bag of pulp? Why is it so complicated? Why not just make a hand roller like the ones for tooth paste tubes? Seems like a rube Goldberg way of doing things.

Same could be said about keurig coffee makers! I mean all you have to do is filter hot water through some crushed up coffee beans!  :-//
 

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Do the bags have to be refrigerated until used?

I say that because if that's not required I'm really shocked it doesn't have a clock/timer so you can load a bag, place an empty glass under it, and have it automatically squeeze it at a preset time. For all the engineering in there why not have that feature?  :-//
Because "common sense" features tend to not be really considered at all by SV startups... they're more in it for the bling, the wank, and the $$$.

I remember once using (or being forced to use) a web app made by a company like this --- and it would've been trivial to change the page CSS style to have it actually show useful information and be easier to use instead of hiding it behind lots of click-overs, so I gave feedback and their response was basically "we think it looks better even though you need to click a few more times, so we're not changing it"|O I ended up just doing it locally with a userstyle.
 
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There must be something else going on.

Maybe they sell the other information they gather as part of this process
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There must be something else going on.

Maybe they sell the other information they gather as part of this process
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When you use Juicero products, they may connect automatically to the Services, in which case we automatically receive information concerning the Juicero products you use and your usage activity in connection with those products (e.g., which juice packets you use with the products, the time of day you use the products, and similar data).

https://www.juicero.com/privacy-policy/

Well we knew that anyway.


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Will Juicero share any of the personal information it receives?

We do not rent or sell your Personal Information in personally identifiable form to anyone. We may share your Personal Information with third parties as described in this section:

Information that’s been de-identified: We may de-identify your Personal Information so that you are not identified as an individual, and provide that information to our partners. We may also provide aggregate usage information to our partners (or allow partners to collect that information from you), who may use such information to understand how often and in what ways people use our Services, so that they, too, can provide you with an optimal online experience. However, we never disclose aggregate usage or de-identified information to a partner (or allow a partner to collect such information) in a manner that would identify you as an individual person.

https://www.juicero.com/privacy-policy/

Oh a new word for me - de-identify.  :)

I want to go through a day this week as a de-identified person.  :clap:
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Just call it bling for your kitchen?

That's exactly what it is.  Its purpose is not just making juice, but also fitting in with the other expensive items in your kitchen and telling visitors you're clued in to what's hip and can afford to throw unreasonable amounts of money at some small everyday problem you just can't be bothered with.  Like having servants prepare your meals, but without the cultural baggage.

So of course it has to be overengineered.  Only the best is good enough for the elite consumer who has everything!  It makes no sense as a mass market product because that's not what it is.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2017, 09:51:28 am by magetoo »
 
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A method has been discovered to properly "repair" the Jizzero to chooch to our will!

*BZZZZZZAAAAAP*
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Still wondering why he went with a bunch of relays and stuff instead of a simple DPDT switch...
 

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Yes, thats called "The Analog Hole".

Quote from: xrunner on 2017-04-21, 07:35:15>Quote from: AndyC_772 on 2017-04-21, 07:31:45
I wondered what happens to the waste once the bag has been squeezed dry, but according to their web site, that's covered too. I kid ye not:

>"Once pressed, the pulp inside can be eaten (our preference)"

Source: https://www.juicero.com/the-packs/

Wait a sec ... I think I just got a terrific idea!

Work with me here - wouldn't it be possible to just go to the local grocery store and buy the fruit directly, take it home, and then squeeze it yourself?  ::)
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Here is a much more useful and far more awesome app-enabled device:

https://youtu.be/yqynvR-HNiE
« Last Edit: June 06, 2017, 11:05:40 am by MarkS »
 

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:-DD

One of the many channels I subscribe to. Their YouTube channel is nothing more than advertising for their retail site, but their videos are so well done and entertaining that I'll gladly sit through the crappy YouTube ads to watch their commercials. If more ads were like their videos, I'd gladly watch without complaint! Anyway, glad you liked it!
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Yes, thats called "The Analog Hole".

Quote from: xrunner on 2017-04-21, 07:35:15>Quote from: AndyC_772 on 2017-04-21, 07:31:45
I wondered what happens to the waste once the bag has been squeezed dry, but according to their web site, that's covered too. I kid ye not:

>"Once pressed, the pulp inside can be eaten (our preference)"

Source: https://www.juicero.com/the-packs/

Wait a sec ... I think I just got a terrific idea!

Work with me here - wouldn't it be possible to just go to the local grocery store and buy the fruit directly, take it home, and then squeeze it yourself?  ::)


If you drink the juice and eat the pressed remains why not just eat the damm fruit to begin with?
 
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If you drink the juice and eat the pressed remains why not just eat the damm fruit to begin with?

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Yes, thats called "The Analog Hole".

Quote from: xrunner on 2017-04-21, 07:35:15>Quote from: AndyC_772 on 2017-04-21, 07:31:45
I wondered what happens to the waste once the bag has been squeezed dry, but according to their web site, that's covered too. I kid ye not:

>"Once pressed, the pulp inside can be eaten (our preference)"

Source: https://www.juicero.com/the-packs/

Wait a sec ... I think I just got a terrific idea!

Work with me here - wouldn't it be possible to just go to the local grocery store and buy the fruit directly, take it home, and then squeeze it yourself?  ::)


If you drink the juice and eat the pressed remains why not just eat the damm fruit to begin with?

Because there would be no app to go with that.
Just the other day I was thinking this orange is great, but what if I had to set up and then log into an app every time I wanted to eat one? The app would even check to make sure it was still an orange and warn me if there was a safety recall for bad oranges. 
 


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