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Offline NiHaoMike

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Why not get rid of the weeds by giving them a load of angry pixies?
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...less chemicals and more programmed robo-goats  :clap:

 

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Weeds are plants. We just call them a different name.  :scared:
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Weeds are plants. We just call them a different name.  :scared:
Yep.
Glyphosate would be the most used chemical even without targeting weed species as it's the preferred solution to pre-cultivation where you might want to re-grass with more modern higher producing grasses or prepare ground for a commercial crop however at standard rates it doesn't control everything in a pasture and often it need be used in conjunction with another chemical to improve glyphosate uptake or also target a species that glyphosate won't control.
This is when you often need professional advice from the agrichemical company reps or their specialist resellers.
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I'd still take a gander at how the old schoolers did things back in the day on God's freebie  :-+  lease free lands,

before assisting Moneysanto to get more richer than rich rich rich...   >:D

 

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I'd still take a gander at how the old schoolers did things back in the day on God's freebie  :-+  lease free lands,

before assisting Moneysanto to get more richer than rich rich rich...   >:D
Sure.......we used shit like Paraquat.........many times more toxic !
Knew a guy that died from that muck.
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No contest on that  :-+

but I was talkin old school way way back,
before the cigar gobbling investards and pharma creeps decided to mess with the soil for a fast buck
and financially screw over gullible farmers down on their luck, to buy and use the lab concocted 'miracle' product,
that worked ok for a time, till it finally drained what life was left in the soil,
and the suckers lost their generations owned land, to the money lending scum who knew up front they were on a sure thing  >:D

 

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No contest on that  :-+

but I was talkin old school way way back,
before the cigar gobbling investards and pharma creeps decided to mess with the soil for a fast buck
and financially screw over gullible farmers down on their luck, to buy and use the lab concocted 'miracle' product,
that worked ok for a time, till it finally drained what life was left in the soil,
and the suckers lost their generations owned land, to the money lending scum who knew up front they were on a sure thing  >:D
Yes but............some chemicals we had to use yearly by law, sheep dips are an example and they poisoned the soil around the application facility and now decades later those areas are considered toxic and must be cleaned by excavation and soil taken to a registered landfill ..........all at the landowners expense.......for a chemical that we had to use by law !!!  :wtf: ?
Gubbermints  :-//  ::)

Talk about passing the buck !!  :horse:
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 I live in a rural area where my yard borders corn fields, pastures with cows and hog farms so I see chemical spraying quite a bit.  When I was a kid I remember corn fields having weeds, now it is just dirt and corn, not a weed in sight, but I wonder what lies beneath in years to come.

In my own yard they used roundup to kill the grass and weeds along the brick paths and driveway and after I had them stop the thing I noticed is the weeds came back first, not the grass.  The grass is still trying to grow back in those areas, but the weds are doing great!
 

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I have a piece of yard which grows quite wild and I have never had much luck with glyphosate. As it is not cheap I consider it is not worth it for me. And less even considering the health risks.

Generally I just dig up the weeds once a year but it seems the digging just makes it easier to grow more so I am thinking maybe the answer is to tamp down the soil real hard so seeds cannot take hold.

The organic way to do it is with straw.  Cut the weeds down as low as you can, cover with straw and it blocks light and prevents any seeds in the air from taking root. You do have to re-apply the straw as it breaks down into the soil.  Make sure it is real straw and not hay, hay is the entire plant and has seeds that will grow, straw is just the stalk without the seeds.
 
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I have no experience so don't know if it works, but couldn't you also do it with some ground cover sheet, just make holes where you plant the crops?
Maybe less organic than straw, but still better than poison and might be easier to buy than straw (the way the world works).

The large scale commercial farming using glyphosate (no-till farming) have many problems. The upside is you don't have to till and harrow to get rid of weeds, but you become dependent on gmo-crops from a specific vendor and you kill of insects and all other plants. Large mono-cultures also knock out a lot of insects and the result is that the only insects that thrive are the ones that like to eat the crops and develop resistance against the poisons. The hope is that they will come up with new poisons and gmo-crops in time, that can take care of the new resistant diseases and insects.

I'm not against gmo or chemicals in principle, it just doesn't seem very sustainable the way they do it now.  :-\
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If you have the right 'pick' tools, heavy well balanced styles that are easy on the back,

a careful swing or two down deep, and a yank or lever up, gets the most stubborn weeds out, physically 'ROOTS 'N ALL' :popcorn:
no jungle clearing urban offshoot CONcoction required   :P

Shake out the soil back into the hole, a gentle tap down,

and that's it, game over for the weed/s, they won't be back too soon for another go,
giving the eye candy grass a chance to creep back over the cavity.


If you have a real drama on your hands, and or the weeds have infiltrated rock/pebble driveway areas  :horse:  water down the areas first
or wait for a good rain, and pick n scrape = out they come..

Don't even think about going medieval on stubborn weeds without steel tipped rubber boots, eye protection, gloves, hat,
a thick bath towel and cool water to drink, especially on a 'nice sunny day'.  >:D

If you've got allergies, either buy a decent breathing kit with filters, $10>$20?  or stay away  :scared:

those cheapie white pull on nose/mouth things won't filter out fine particle dust, even though better than nothing,
or go the tacky route and wear an outlaw face thing you see on old school Western movies (big fan btw  :clap:

FWIW, weeds and their airborne seeds will happen whatever you do,
mainly thanks to others in the area showering their yards, gardens and driveways with cheap mutant spray,
and crummy developer tards kicking up weed infested soil and dust during the building of easy profit high rise stacked dog boxes/future ricketty fire trap eyesore slums.    >:(

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