Author Topic: Microsoft and Arduino are now partners (Read 6572 times)

rolycat · « **on:** April 30, 2015, 06:05:21 pm »

Microsoft have announced a 'strong partnership' with Arduino LLC.

Apparently Windows 10 is "the world’s first Arduino certified operating system".

Interesting times for the open source maker movement...

free_electron · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2015, 06:31:14 pm »

That's it , i'm switching to linux !

suicidaleggroll · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2015, 07:09:01 pm »

Next up, TI and Supermicro are going to merge the MSP430 with the new X10 4U servers to enable makers to do even more shit that makes no sense.

at2marty · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2015, 07:34:30 pm »

Quote from: rolycat on April 30, 2015, 06:05:21 pm

Microsoft have announced a 'strong partnership' with Arduino LLC.

Apparently Windows 10 is "the world’s first Arduino certified operating system".

Interesting times for the open source maker movement...

Interesting. I would have thought that being Open Source Hardware Arduino would have worked to make things Open Source Software (Linux, BSD, etc.) compatible. I personally use Linux 95% of the time, except for the few applications that I have to use that are "Windows Only". However, in that case I run Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine.

miguelvp · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2015, 12:42:47 am »

Windows on devices is no longer for Intel chips anymore:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/Library/Windows/Hardware/dn914597.aspx

Windows 10 on RPI-2 anyone?

RoboTechEd · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2015, 12:48:46 am »

Quote from: miguelvp on May 01, 2015, 12:42:47 am

Windows on devices is no longer for Intel chips anymore:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/Library/Windows/Hardware/dn914597.aspx

Windows 10 on RPI-2 anyone?

This has already been done! Link to a discussion w/ videos.

http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/34ebj4/videos_of_windows_10_on_raspberry_pi/

nixfu · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2015, 01:03:41 am »

It does not seem like all that big a deal. Its kinda the way you use Arduino from Verilog.

A small little stub program runs on the Ardunio that accepts commands from the real code that runs on a separate computer, and the only thing the ardunio does is let that other program query and set values on inputs/outputs.

If turns the arduino into a fairly dumb io board.

smjcuk · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:06:17 am »

Ugh thats going to suck. NT has stupid high syscall and context switch overhead. Hey everyone let's make a slow thing even slower!

Microsoft are really on the crack pipe recently. The sudden embrace of open source is worrying. It's like digging up zombie Jimmy Saville and putting him charge of a private school.

Red Squirrel · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:10:16 am »

I don't know how I feel about this. I feel that MS is just doing this so they can stomp down on open source hardware. The Raspberry Pi, now the Arduino? Well they did not really do anything with the RPI but they show lot of interest, I could see it happen.

Windows does not belong on a microcontroller or low power microprocessor, it's just too bloated for that.

Mechanical Menace · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:21:45 am »

Quote from: Red Squirrel on May 01, 2015, 07:10:16 am

I don't know how I feel about this. I feel that MS is just doing this so they can stomp down on open source hardware. The Raspberry Pi, now the Arduino? Well they did not really do anything with the RPI but they show lot of interest, I could see it happen.

The RasPi may have strong FOSS support but it isn't open source hardware.

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Windows does not belong on a microcontroller or low power microprocessor, it's just too bloated for that.

I'm a total *nix and in particular Linux fanboy and if I didn't know better and people hadn't tuned it for those sort of applications I'd say the same about Linux or any other modern fully fledged OS. I'll wait and see what it's like before judging it's technical merits and failings.

smjcuk · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:27:28 am »

I've done NT in an embedded scenario. It's not suitable. It's actually totally painful. It's why they pushed Windows CE originally - NT had no real time guarantees and the performance sucked terribly on everything. 15 years of rearchitecting everything and moving it into kernel space ring 0 and the increase in relative processor speed is the only reason it looks possible now. It still sucks.

Red Squirrel · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:34:57 am »

And let's not get started with licensing. Knowing MS they'll want to license everything. Oh, you want more than 1 pwm output? You need to load the license file!

Clippy: "It looks like you're trying to use a bit shift register to get more outputs! That is against the EULA, would you like to read the EULA now?"

Ok maybe it wont be that bad. We'll have to see I guess. Of course if they do mess with it you can always load the old firmware on the chip. Been wanting to try that myself actually. The bare chips are a few bucks off Digkey, once you setup a rig of sorts to load the arduino loader an do them all you have yourself a bunch of mini arduinos, just need to add a few extra parts like clock etc.

smjcuk · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:14:08 am »

You mean: connect an Ethernet card to your Arduino, RDP into it, enter the product key, oh no wait error 80004005, google for a bit, phone MS support, work your way around the world starting from a crackly line in India, copy a .reg file to a USB stick, run it, activate windows again, no error 8004676, google, reboot the arduino, now the network won't respond, netsh IP reset, reboot, RDp back in, enter product key, activating...., still activating...., no still activating..., done, shit 976Mb of updates to be applied.

(I do this as a day job)

bitwelder · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2015, 05:48:56 pm »

Soon you'll need a Core i7 for a basic blink-a-led project

smjcuk · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2015, 06:22:11 pm »

I think an arduino is a bit much for that!

eas · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2015, 07:08:36 pm »

Quote from: Red Squirrel on May 01, 2015, 07:10:16 am

I don't know how I feel about this. I feel that MS is just doing this so they can stomp down on open source hardware. The Raspberry Pi, now the Arduino? Well they did not really do anything with the RPI but they show lot of interest, I could see it happen.

Windows does not belong on a microcontroller or low power microprocessor, it's just too bloated for that.

I think Microsoft isn't stomping on much of anyone these days, or if they do, its met with a giggle. In some cases their iOS and Android support is better in some cases than their support for their own OS/hardware.

That isn't to say are harmless. They still have a lot of money, a large installed base, and I'm sure there are many there who want the last laugh, so to speak.

Galenbo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 02, 2015, 01:34:12 am »

That's a very nice media article from the marketing division.

I wonder if engineering/development knows about that message.

zapta · « **Reply #17 on:** May 02, 2015, 03:47:21 am »

Quote from: free_electron on April 30, 2015, 06:31:14 pm

That's it , i'm switching to linux !

+1

Arduino lost my respect.

lapm · « **Reply #18 on:** May 02, 2015, 05:57:47 am »

Time to start looking alternative to Arduino then. Microsoft has history of killing off businesses they "co-operate" with.

Usually it ends up in two ways:
Microsoft makes it imbossible for new thenchonoly to integrate (pen operating systems anyone)
Or they just buy out business and mess it up after that by not understanding it...

smjcuk · « **Reply #19 on:** May 02, 2015, 09:47:32 am »

AVR-GCC and some libs.

firewalker · « **Reply #20 on:** May 02, 2015, 09:56:10 am »

I don;t get what will change... Arduino runs on windows since the beginning.

Maybe Arduino.cc seeks money for a big lawsuit?

Alexander.

smjcuk · « **Reply #21 on:** May 02, 2015, 10:54:31 am »

Its the other way round. Windows on arduino.

firewalker · « **Reply #22 on:** May 02, 2015, 11:18:10 am »

Aha...

Window 10 on an ATmega328!

Alexander.

smjcuk · « **Reply #23 on:** May 02, 2015, 12:29:28 pm »

No windows on ARM in arduino form factor.


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