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Software guys, please, no.

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SiliconWizard:
I have watched a number of his videos. And while this guy sounds "nice", the videos are well produced and there are occasional fun anecdotes, in the end I don't find the information he conveys particularly interesting, and for the relatively small amount of videos he made where he actually writes code, uh, yeah. Not particularly interesting, and if this is what a "star developer" is at MS, this would not be very surprising. Now when he gets into hardware, that's usually even funnier.

pcprogrammer:
And that is why I gave up on youtube. It is mostly about entertainment and has little substance. And even though some are better to watch, how many commodore 64, trs-80, apple II repair videos, or I made this gadget or wrote this software or checked out this scope can you watch. To me it gets boring after a while, and for learning I rather have a proper datasheet to figure it out myself.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 18, 2022, 04:47:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on September 18, 2022, 04:26:09 pm ---your statement was that he was a “copy and paste from the web” coder, and that’s nonsense
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You do know they do not actually physically exist, right?  I mean, anyone who only does that will not work in the industry for long.

It was a characterization, an analog to describe the approach to their work, not a literal description of their work pattern.

Double shame on you for willfully acting as if you didn't realize that.  You knew perfectly well that I was describing the mentality, and not the exact behaviour.

(Perhaps I should have written "the kind of person who" instead of "the person who"; but I suspect you would have resorted to this same fallacious argument even then.  It is not like you are considering any of my actual points here at all, just asserting that mine are wrong, because the sky is blue, and there are twelve months in a year –– that is, asserting my actual points are irrelevant, because if you twist my argument just a little bit, it no longer makes any sense to you.  Word games, not rational argumentation.)

And triple shame on you for completely ignoring the core of my argument: that just because they are popular and have had a long successful career, does not prove their work product is anything but a degree above garbage; it only proves that they have made themselves a successful brand.

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You are, again, putting words in my mouth.

I do understand it’s a characterization, and never claimed otherwise. But your claim was that he is someone who isn’t

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 18, 2022, 02:18:52 am ---…anyone who can actually develop useful software that works in a predictable fashion

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Which is nonsense since he’s written software that is useful and has worked in a predictable fashion.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 18, 2022, 04:55:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on September 18, 2022, 04:26:09 pm ---Your retort doesn’t even make logical sense, it just makes you look like a whiny child crying “no, YOU’RE the butthole!” I didn’t make ANY claims about your coding abilities, so what code you’ve written has zero bearing on the truthfulness of my reply.
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You wrote, and I quote, "LMAO at how insanely incorrect you are.  You have, with certainty asymptotically approaching 100%, used software he wrote. As others said, he wrote some significant parts of Windows."

What is that but not an argument based on authority; asserting that because he wrote significant parts of windows, his work product must be good?

You are illogical.

If you extended the same logic to me, you should show me the same utter dereference to me as you do to him.

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It is NOT an appeal to authority, it’s a direct response to THIS claim:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 18, 2022, 02:18:52 am ---Please do not confuse him with anyone who can actually develop useful software that works in a predictable fashion, okay?

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That is a claim which is easily disproven, and which others in this thread disproved before I even responded.

Nobody is claiming he’s a star programmer (I’m not enough of a programmer to be a judge of code quality, nor do I claim to be.) But you made some easily falsifiable statements that have been falsified.

All the rest of your replies to me, with all the stuff you’ve put in my mouth, all the ridiculous claims of “emotional” response, idolatry, etc: sorry, you’re just being a condescending asshole based on your lazy, imprecise reading of what I did and did not say — and your own faulty memory of what YOU said. And based on that fantasy in your brain, you constructed an entire alternative narrative about me that I didn’t even do or say, and then had the audacity to “shame” me publicly for. Fuck off, dude.

tooki:

--- Quote from: wraper on September 18, 2022, 04:52:08 pm ---So you characterize a person you know nothing about. If you watched particular video, there are no signs of "the kind of person who" either.

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Thank you for confirming exactly what I thought.

I guess it’s no surprise he then wrote two walls of text characterizing me…

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