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Solid state batteries, vaporware or the future of electric vehicles?
aabbcc:
So solid state batteries, are they the future of electric car batteries or simply vaporware atm?
For example the company Quantumscape is a specializing in these together in partnership with Volkswagen, they recently held a presentation where they showcase data from the batteries which seems too good to be true? Albeit these won't be in production until 4-5 years from now.
Would be interesting to see Dave do a breakdown of this.
mikeselectricstuff:
The question is where will Tesla be by the time this gets into production, if it does.
nctnico:
Tesla will be dwarfed in a couple of years by other manufacturers if they aren't already. Volkswagen alone has a production capacity for their ID.3 and ID.4 models of nearly 1 million units a year. That is more than Tesla can currently produce for all it's models! Tesla's new 'gigafactory' near Berlin is a mini factory in reality.
mikeselectricstuff:
--- Quote from: nctnico on December 21, 2020, 11:15:51 pm ---Tesla will be dwarfed in a couple of years by other manufacturers if they aren't already. Volkswagen alone has a production capacity for their ID.3 and ID.4 models of nearly 1 million units a year. That is more than Tesla can currently produce for all it's models! Tesla's new 'gigafactory' near Berlin is a mini factory in reality.
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But it's by no means all about production capacity. Even VW acknowledge that Tesla are years ahead, and are open that they have no choice but to ship cars with beta software.
Most legacy automakers are just too late into the game to ever be able to catch up, and too weighed down with their ICE baggage.
Look at Toyota, who are still in deep denial, having missed the opportunity to capitalise on their early expertise in electric drivetrains and instead just kept on putting them in petrol-powered cars and pushing their "self-charging" bullshit.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on December 21, 2020, 11:28:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on December 21, 2020, 11:15:51 pm ---Tesla will be dwarfed in a couple of years by other manufacturers if they aren't already. Volkswagen alone has a production capacity for their ID.3 and ID.4 models of nearly 1 million units a year. That is more than Tesla can currently produce for all it's models! Tesla's new 'gigafactory' near Berlin is a mini factory in reality.
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But it's by no means all about production capacity. Even VW acknowledge that Tesla are years ahead, and are open that they have no choice but to ship cars with beta software.
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Yes and no. Tesla has huge problems getting the quality of their cars to a satisfactory level. Tesla is consistently in the lowest ranks where it comes to reliability. Not to mention lack of service. IMHO VW has set the bar for themselves way too high by adding so many gadgets to their electric cars. They would have sold them anyway.
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