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some USA states replaces trafic lights with flags
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Sal Ammoniac:

--- Quote from: strawberry on September 12, 2022, 10:30:21 pm ---atleast flags cant run out of electricity


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A local town (Sausalito) has these flags at some intersections. No one uses them.
james_s:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on September 14, 2022, 05:26:17 pm ---It is definitely relatively recent in CT.  2021?

" The newly enacted law requires drivers to slow down or stop under the following limited circumstances:
 
If the pedestrian is within any portion of the crosswalk;
If by stepping to the curb at the crosswalk entrance, the pedestrian indicates an intent to cross by raising a hand or arm to oncoming traffic; and
If the pedestrian signals an intent to cross by moving any body part or extension of a body part into the crosswalk including a leashed dog, stroller, wheelchair, cane or walking stick.
This legislation was enacted in part because of the increase in pedestrian injuries and fatalities occurring in crosswalks. It has been estimated that there was a 55% increase in the number of pedestrian deaths for the 10-year period ending in 2018."

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I wonder what the actual law was prior to that? I was under the impression that if a person was in the crosswalk they had the right of way and if a car hits them the driver is at fault. This sounds like it may be bolstering the existing law to cover other scenarios, such as requiring a driver to stop if a pedestrian is intending to cross. Personally when I'm walking I try to wait for a gap where a minimal number of cars will have to stop for me.
james_s:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on September 14, 2022, 06:05:08 pm ---This pedestrians always having right of way is good and bad.  It encourages jaywalking making accidents more likely.

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Jaywalking has been a huge problem in downtown Seattle, to the point where I go way out of my way to not drive down there at all. Many times cars will be trying to turn while pedestrians are streaming across the crosswalk ignoring the Don't Walk signal. It would all work so much more smoothly if everyone obeyed the signals and crossed the street at designated crosswalks. Then you have cyclists who want to have their cake and eat it too. They often ride on the road and insist that cars share it, but then they ignore signals and blow through lights or ride onto the sidewalk and across crosswalks while the signal for cars is red.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on September 14, 2022, 06:05:08 pm ---This pedestrians always having right of way is good and bad.  It encourages jaywalking making accidents more likely.

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Rubbish.

We have no concept of jaywalking, and pedestrians have priority over vehicles. And yet, we have no problem with people getting mowed down left right and centre because they're darting out into the road to try and cross without thought.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: james_s on September 14, 2022, 07:49:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on September 14, 2022, 05:26:17 pm ---It is definitely relatively recent in CT.  2021?

" The newly enacted law requires drivers to slow down or stop under the following limited circumstances:
 
If the pedestrian is within any portion of the crosswalk;
If by stepping to the curb at the crosswalk entrance, the pedestrian indicates an intent to cross by raising a hand or arm to oncoming traffic; and
If the pedestrian signals an intent to cross by moving any body part or extension of a body part into the crosswalk including a leashed dog, stroller, wheelchair, cane or walking stick.
This legislation was enacted in part because of the increase in pedestrian injuries and fatalities occurring in crosswalks. It has been estimated that there was a 55% increase in the number of pedestrian deaths for the 10-year period ending in 2018."

--- End quote ---

I wonder what the actual law was prior to that? I was under the impression that if a person was in the crosswalk they had the right of way and if a car hits them the driver is at fault. This sounds like it may be bolstering the existing law to cover other scenarios, such as requiring a driver to stop if a pedestrian is intending to cross. Personally when I'm walking I try to wait for a gap where a minimal number of cars will have to stop for me.

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Maybe this is just a CT thing.  Every crosswalk now has new signs "Yield to pedestrians in crosswalk".   Maybe it was always the case, but nobody ever did it...
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