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james_s:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on September 15, 2022, 08:39:37 pm ---And yet again, nobody else has these problems. Perhaps 'jaywalking' (a term invented to criminalize people using their legs, not paying car companies) isn't the issue?

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Well I'm glad that people in your region are superior and enlightened and do not have this problem, not everyone is so fortunate. Here jaywalking is a serious problem and frequently results in accidents. Pedestrians often ignore the signals and walk in every which way, leaving drivers stuck in the middle of intersections as pedestrians end up blocking both the entry and exit to the intersection while the driver has a green light. Other times pedestrians will dart across the street in some random location that is not a designated crosswalk, especially annoying when there is a crosswalk nearby. People driving cars don't expect pedestrians to be in the middle of the road because the law requires using designated crosswalks where they are available. Car and pedestrian traffic can't coexist without some sort of rules and everyone being on the same page. This is especially true in dense urban environments, chaos is not safe for anyone. People behaving in unexpected ways and not following the agreed upon rules is a recipe for accidents. Surely you can agree that places like freeways (motorways) and busy high speed arterials are not a place pedestrians should be.

Someone:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on September 15, 2022, 06:36:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on September 14, 2022, 08:12:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rick Law on September 14, 2022, 06:05:08 pm ---This pedestrians always having right of way is good and bad.  It encourages jaywalking making accidents more likely.
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Rubbish.

We have no concept of jaywalking, and pedestrians have priority over vehicles. And yet, we have no problem with people getting mowed down left right and centre because they're darting out into the road to try and cross without thought.
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Terrorist acts not withstanding, folks here doesn't really get mowed down just because they cross illegally or darting in and out.  Accident do occur and when they jaywalk, and jaywalkers are endangering themselves.
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Classic "road is for cars, must be the pedestrians fault" mentality, when in fact its the other way around with pedestrians using crosswalks:
https://www.triumphlaw.com/personal-injury/pedestrian-accident/crosswalk-accidents/
Such a common issue that lawyers target that specific cohort/market.

Someone:

--- Quote from: james_s on September 15, 2022, 08:52:24 pm ---Pedestrians often ignore the signals and walk in every which way, leaving drivers stuck in the middle of intersections as pedestrians end up blocking both the entry and exit to the intersection while the driver has a green light.
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Depends how you read the road rules (for your non-specified jurisdiction). In both California and Australia a driver at a set of traffic lights is not supposed to enter unless they can leave the intersection, so anyone becoming stranded/stuck is entirely their own fault. Is that enforced? nope, but it is a rule that prevents your "problem".

themadhippy:

--- Quote ---Here jaywalking is a serious problem
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you should  try crossing the road in Vietnam ,if you dont jaywalk you aint gonna get across.

Halcyon:
My two cents (as a former police officer)...

The issue of left turn on red (or right turn in other countries) is solved simply by enforcing that vehicles give way to pedestrians when turning into a road. However giving pedestrians universal right-of-way creates its own set of problems, for example, if the pedestrian is crossing in a place they shouldn't be. In situations like that where there is a collisions involving a pedestrian, the person crossing in the wrong place/wrong time could be deemed at fault.

In Australia, the road rules are a standard set of rules which apply to the entire country, there are some exceptions though where states have implemented their own additional rules to cater for special circumstances (in Victoria, they have the "hook turn" which is essentially turning right from the left lane).

There is a road rule which applies specifically to pedestrians which states "A pedestrian must not cause a traffic hazard by moving into the path of a driver or unreasonably obstruct the path of a driver".

A prime example of that was a collision that I investigated years ago where a pedestrian stepped out onto the roadway, at a set of traffic lights with a pedestrian crossing, but against the red "don't walk" signal. Thankfully she only suffered minor injuries, but I did issue the pedestrian an infringement notice. The driver was not liable for any costs.

Drivers do have responsibilities and need to take care, especially around crossings and intersections, but they aren't liable for people's stupidity in other circumstances.

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