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| Someone:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on September 15, 2022, 11:35:25 pm --- --- Quote ---Here jaywalking is a serious problem --- End quote --- you should try crossing the road in Vietnam ,if you dont jaywalk you aint gonna get across. --- End quote --- Or the position from many US police/prosecutors: there was a marked crossing a half a mile along the road, pedestrians must use the detour provided or be fined. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Someone on September 15, 2022, 11:00:57 pm ---Depends how you read the road rules (for your non-specified jurisdiction). In both California and Australia a driver at a set of traffic lights is not supposed to enter unless they can leave the intersection, so anyone becoming stranded/stuck is entirely their own fault. Is that enforced? nope, but it is a rule that prevents your "problem". --- End quote --- Yeah well that's great, except what are you to do if you enter the intersection on a green light and some pedestrians waltz across the street when the sign says Don't Walk? Are you seriously saying that's the fault of the driver who has the right of way by virtue of a green signal while a pedestrian is breaking the law? |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: james_s on September 16, 2022, 05:56:20 am --- --- Quote from: Someone on September 15, 2022, 11:00:57 pm ---Depends how you read the road rules (for your non-specified jurisdiction). In both California and Australia a driver at a set of traffic lights is not supposed to enter unless they can leave the intersection, so anyone becoming stranded/stuck is entirely their own fault. Is that enforced? nope, but it is a rule that prevents your "problem". --- End quote --- Yeah well that's great, except what are you to do if you enter the intersection on a green light and some pedestrians waltz across the street when the sign says Don't Walk? Are you seriously saying that's the fault of the driver who has the right of way by virtue of a green signal while a pedestrian is breaking the law? --- End quote --- Doesnt matter what's stopping you leaving the intersection be that a car, pedestrian, pile of manure, etc. If there isn't a clear exit, you dont pass the stop line. Pedestrians and car speeds arent such that you could enter an intersection and then come to a stop for a pedestrian newly entering the road: a pedestrian would have been making a clear entry to the crossing before turning for there to be reaction and braking distance to pull up to a stop, or you'd be passing/swerving around them (closely) as they step out into the road This happens regardless of the lamp facing the pedestrian (which often isn't visible to opposing drivers) and drivers have to look across the intersection for any traffic/obstruction before proceeding. Green lights are shown to drivers not as a go-go-everything clear, but as an indication that they may be able to proceed (and need to check other restrictions). Sounds like you're just a bad driver who doesnt want the effort of having to look for other road users. Like people who cant safely use an unprotected turn across oncoming traffic (both parties are shown green lights, but there is still a need to give way). |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Someone on September 16, 2022, 06:09:51 am ---Pedestrians and car speeds arent such that you could enter an intersection and then come to a stop for a pedestrian newly entering the road: a pedestrian would have been making a clear entry to the crossing before turning for there to be reaction and braking distance to pull up to a stop, or you'd be passing/swerving around them (closely) as they step out into the road This happens regardless of the lamp facing the pedestrian (which often isn't visible to opposing drivers) and drivers have to look across the intersection for any traffic/obstruction before proceeding. Green lights are shown to drivers not as a go-go-everything clear, but as an indication that they may be able to proceed (and need to check other restrictions). Sounds like you're just a bad driver who doesnt want the effort of having to look for other road users. Like people who cant safely use an unprotected turn across oncoming traffic (both parties are shown green lights, but there is still a need to give way). --- End quote --- I beg to differ, I see it all the time, car starts rolling forward into the intersection and pedestrians start streaming across the crosswalk on the other side of the street after the car is already in the intersection. I'm not sure you grasp the nature of dense urban traffic in an overpopulated major city with narrow streets that mostly lack turn lanes. I think accusing me of being a bad driver is rude, uncalled for, and frankly ridiculous. For what it's worth I refuse to drive in downtown Seattle because doing so is a nightmare so I bus into the office when I go. I see this happen most often as a pedestrian myself, although unlike many I respect the crossing signs and don't jaywalk. Now if you think you are such a fantastically skilled high and mighty driver that you won't have trouble, I'd encourage you to visit the region and show us all how it's done. I'd wager that within an hour you'd get stuck in the middle of an intersection at least once just as I've described or stuck gridlocked unable to move while some jerk behind you is honking and road raging because you've sat through 4 green lights without moving because there is some pedestrian who could conceivably dart across the street because there are ALWAYS pedestrians all over the place throughout most of the days. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: james_s on September 16, 2022, 06:49:16 am ---For what it's worth I refuse to drive in downtown Seattle because doing so is a nightmare so I bus into the office when I go. I see this happen most often as a pedestrian myself --- End quote --- Well done creating imaginary argument... --- Quote from: Someone on September 15, 2022, 11:00:57 pm ---Depends how you read the road rules (for your non-specified jurisdiction). In both California and Australia a driver at a set of traffic lights is not supposed to enter unless they can leave the intersection, so anyone becoming stranded/stuck is entirely their own fault. Is that enforced? nope, but it is a rule that prevents your "problem". --- End quote --- So people in some other jurisdiction where those rules dont apply, dont follow them.... AMAZING! |
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