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peter-h:
The mainland sellers who decided to stop selling to the UK are those who bought into the anti-UK hysteria which dominates the media channels on the mainland. Like it or not, it is there.

And American firms have always been reluctant exporters. Too much hassle... there are firms in the US which do $10BN+++ sales just to the US govt, so why bother exporting? Getting US firms to sell you stuff can be like pulling teeth. And always has been. Many go to massive lengths to avoid exporting; a while ago I bought an unusual form of a BNC connector from a US firm. Value about $20, they would ship only through an "international fulfilment agency". Cost $250! Would they send it via the US postal service, for about $10? No way. Too complicated. We do not go to the post office.

And then they wonder why China is stealing their jobs by the millions. The chinks will ship anywhere, even if it involves faking their location on Ebay, to look local :)

Right now I am talking to a German company about sending something (big) to the UK. They want about £400 for shipping, while they ship for free to other countries in Europe :) I even got a quote from a German shipper, £150, and asked this guy if I can get it collected. He isn't interested... Why do you think that might be?

I know I am repeating myself but anybody on the mainland can still just simply ship something to the UK. IAW the way international trade has operated for centuries, it is up to the UK end to sort out the import VAT, any duty (no duties applicable generally on EU imports, btw) and charge it to the end customer.

The fact that many customers hate paying import duties etc, feel ripped off, etc, is a separate issue. In my business we export a great deal to the US. For about 20 years we used to ship direct to customers there, with everything prepaid. The carrier (DHL back then) offered this as a service... not exactly cheap but very convenient to the customers. Now we sell there via a distributor who deals with this.

JohnnyMalaria:

--- Quote from: peter-h on March 10, 2021, 04:24:47 pm ---IAW the way international trade has operated for centuries, it is up to the UK end to sort out the import VAT, any duty (no duties applicable generally on EU imports, btw) and charge it to the end customer.

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No, you are mistaken.


--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For imports of goods from outside the UK in consignments not exceeding £135 in value (which aligns with the threshold for customs duty liability), we will be moving the point at which VAT is collected from the point of importation to the point of sale. This will mean that UK supply VAT, rather than import VAT, will be due on these consignments.
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--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For goods sent from overseas and sold directly to UK consumers without OMP involvement, the overseas seller will be required to register and account for the VAT to HMRC.
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It's clear. This is a direct consequence of Brexit. Some people in the UK will now find their overseas sources of some goods gone.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: peter-h on March 10, 2021, 04:24:47 pm ---The mainland sellers who decided to stop selling to the UK are those who bought into the anti-UK hysteria which dominates the media channels on the mainland. Like it or not, it is there.

And American firms have always been reluctant exporters. Too much hassle... there are firms in the US which do $10BN+++ sales just to the US govt, so why bother exporting? Getting US firms to sell you stuff can be like pulling teeth. And always has been. Many go to massive lengths to avoid exporting; a while ago I bought an unusual form of a BNC connector from a US firm. Value about $20, they would ship only through an "international fulfilment agency". Cost $250! Would they send it via the US postal service, for about $10? No way. Too complicated. We do not go to the post office.

And then they wonder why China is stealing their jobs by the millions. The chinks will ship anywhere, even if it involves faking their location on Ebay, to look local :)

Right now I am talking to a German company about sending something (big) to the UK. They want about £400 for shipping, while they ship for free to other countries in Europe :) I even got a quote from a German shipper, £150, and asked this guy if I can get it collected. He isn't interested... Why do you think that might be?

I know I am repeating myself but anybody on the mainland can still just simply ship something to the UK. IAW the way international trade has operated for centuries, it is up to the UK end to sort out the import VAT, any duty (no duties applicable generally on EU imports, btw) and charge it to the end customer.

The fact that many customers hate paying import duties etc, feel ripped off, etc, is a separate issue. In my business we export a great deal to the US. For about 20 years we used to ship direct to customers there, with everything prepaid. The carrier (DHL back then) offered this as a service... not exactly cheap but very convenient to the customers. Now we sell there via a distributor who deals with this.

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There is no "anti-UK hysteria",  I travel regularly in many EU countries and any "us vs them" mentality is 90% a UK phenomenon.  Most French, German, Danish, Dutch are mostly wondering why so many British people seem to feel so offended by working together with them on projects that are in everyone's interests.  It's not that I don't understand where brexiters are coming from with some of the issues they raise...  it's just that the problems within the EU are relatively minor compared to the antagonism that happens now, as a result of placing us all in an adversarial position.   This was entirely predictable, and predicted, by anyone who has ever had children...

Howardlong:

--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 10, 2021, 04:37:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For imports of goods from outside the UK in consignments not exceeding £135 in value (which aligns with the threshold for customs duty liability), we will be moving the point at which VAT is collected from the point of importation to the point of sale. This will mean that UK supply VAT, rather than import VAT, will be due on these consignments.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For goods sent from overseas and sold directly to UK consumers without OMP involvement, the overseas seller will be required to register and account for the VAT to HMRC.
--- End quote ---

It's clear. This is a direct consequence of Brexit. Some people in the UK will now find their overseas sources of some goods gone.

--- End quote ---

This applies to OMPs like eBay or Amazon. If the sale is direct (i.e., not through an OMP), the same (pre-existing) VAT collection process remains for consignments over £135. Hence, that is why (a) I continue to receive VAT demands from shipping companies like Fedex for imports rather than from the seller and (b) why pretty much all international eBay transactions into the UK now use eBay's Global Shipping process.

HMRC have used it as an opportunity to harmonise process, and that process must've been dreamt up by a committee with zero contribution from stakeholders. I'll also acknowledge that it does seem rather bizarre that a business outside the UK needs to register for UK VAT collection if they're directly exporting consignments under £135, leaving them with the stark options options to either (a) use an OMP to facilitate [& stomach the cost], (b) register & account for UK VAT or (c) not sell to the UK.

It's entirely likely that an SME from outside the UK exporting to the UK wouldn't even start to approach the turnover threshold required for a UK business to register. Even more bizarre, I can easily see this being exploited, after all, what is the appetite of HMRC going to be to go after a few thousand quid of VAT when the business isn't even within their jurisdiction?

A better approach would've been for HMRC to introduce an agent model to collect VAT, much as they have done for decades on foreign excise collections at point of entry.

JohnnyMalaria:

--- Quote from: Howardlong on March 10, 2021, 05:29:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 10, 2021, 04:37:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For imports of goods from outside the UK in consignments not exceeding £135 in value (which aligns with the threshold for customs duty liability), we will be moving the point at which VAT is collected from the point of importation to the point of sale. This will mean that UK supply VAT, rather than import VAT, will be due on these consignments.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For goods sent from overseas and sold directly to UK consumers without OMP involvement, the overseas seller will be required to register and account for the VAT to HMRC.
--- End quote ---

It's clear. This is a direct consequence of Brexit. Some people in the UK will now find their overseas sources of some goods gone.

--- End quote ---

This applies to OMPs like eBay or Amazon. If the sale is direct (i.e., not through an OMP), the same (pre-existing) VAT collection process remains for consignments over £135. Hence, that is why (a) I continue to receive VAT demands from shipping companies like Fedex for imports rather than from the seller and (b) why pretty much all international eBay transactions into the UK now use eBay's Global Shipping process.

HMRC have used it as an opportunity to harmonise process, and that process must've been dreamt up by a committee with zero contribution from stakeholders. I'll also acknowledge that it does seem rather bizarre that a business outside the UK needs to register for UK VAT collection if they're directly exporting consignments under £135, leaving them with the stark options options to either (a) use an OMP to facilitate [& stomach the cost], (b) register & account for UK VAT or (c) not sell to the UK.

It's entirely likely that an SME from outside the UK exporting to the UK wouldn't even start to approach the turnover threshold required for a UK business to register. Even more bizarre, I can easily see this being exploited, after all, what is the appetite of HMRC going to be to go after a few thousand quid of VAT when the business isn't even within their jurisdiction?

A better approach would've been for HMRC to introduce an agent model to collect VAT, much as they have done for decades on foreign excise collections at point of entry.

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Below £135, it applies to non-OMP, too.


--- Quote from: The UK Government ---For most consignments not exceeding £135 in value, instead of VAT being collected at importation or delivery to the customer, VAT will be accounted for at the point of sale.

For VAT purposes the supply will be treated as follows:

if an OMP is not involved in facilitating the sale, there will be a supply direct from the seller to the consumer, which will be deemed to take place in the UK and so liable to UK VAT
if an OMP is involved in facilitating the sale, they will be deemed, for VAT purposes, to be making the supply to the UK consumer, which will be deemed to take place in the UK with UK VAT chargeable accordingly
In both instances the value of the goods for VAT purposes will be based on the price at which they are sold to the consumer rather than any valuation calculated at the point of importation.
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