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Offline Back2Volts

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Source for fine drill bits
« on: August 27, 2016, 10:53:34 pm »
I am in need of a .067" drill bit for some special pins.   I have no fine bits, so I think it may be time to get a set.  I have been looking on eBay where there seems to be a dominant seller (jtg1969) of individual bits and sets in new/resharpened/used shape.   I tend to believe the seller is the same as http://drillbitsunlimited.com.

I have a half decent DELTA bench top drill.   I wish I had a PROXXON, but I have other things in mind before I can get to it (if I ever do).   I hope the DELTA will behave with the .067" bit.   

I have three questions,

1 - Does anyone have experience with this seller ?

2 - Reference to another reputable seller

3 - I am thinking about getting this set http://drillbitsunlimited.com/20-Piece-Carburetor-Tuning-Drill-Bit-Set-Holley-Rochester-Carter-Mikuni-Walbro--P5452039.aspx.   Comments ?  (No carburator drilling planned)

Any thoughts and opinions will be appreciated   :popcorn:
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2016, 11:08:06 pm »
I like the look of that carburator tuning set because it has shanks! I recently invested in a couple of Jacobs chucks for the lathe and drill press, and the (lack of) runout is great but they only tighten to about .078 in. As far as sellers go I'm skeptical of buying any cutting tool steel from china, but carbide is carbide (if it's actually carbide).
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2016, 11:52:21 pm »
1/16" is 0.0625, you can get 1/16 bits from home depot (Milwaukee or Dewalt) or better yet from local industrial supplier shops.
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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2016, 12:03:00 am »
1/16" is 0.0625, you can get 1/16 bits from home depot (Milwaukee or Dewalt) or better yet from local industrial supplier shops.
Yeah, of course it is and nothing at all special about 1/16, one can get them most anywhere.
OP wants 0.067" and that's a #51 drill and cheap sets for undemanding work will do just fine.

Here's a # drill chart:
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2016, 01:11:36 am »
I want to mount this press-fit micro jacks http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/215/471-744012.pdf in a plastic enclosure.   The spec'd drill hole is .067" or 1.7 mm.   I think that the .067" counts with press fitting in something harder than plastic, so it will likely fit in smallish hole in the plastic causing a bit more deformation in it, but holding tight in it.   So it could possibly fit in a 1/16", or something in between.   Looking at the set above, there are various many bits under .067, so I could start thinner and try until the jack fits.   And yes, I know 1/16 is cheap and is close to #52 and #51...  and I probably have one lost somewhere.   I hate these small standard bits with barely no way to identify them easily.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2016, 01:14:32 am »
I usually go to MSC for drills. Looks like basic #51 bits go for under $2: https://m.mscdirect.com/mobileweb/category?catId=12106186&searchTerm=%2351+drill

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 01:19:42 am »
Searching for drill 1/16" on ebay yields other sellers.

I have bought cheap 3mm and 0.5mm drill bits off eBay in little red bags of 10.  They're useless on steel, but they're more than good enough for wood and on the aluminiums that I use.

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 01:25:42 am »
I would go ahead and drill that at 1/16in. You will never hit 1 thou accuracy with a bench top drill press, i bet it has atleast a few thou runout on the spindle. You should get a spot or center drill to start that hole with or else it will just walk around and drill a trilobed hole.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2016, 02:37:05 am »
Tolerance on datasheet says +-.005, so the hole can be .062 to .072 diameter.  I'd pick the .0625 drill over a .067 unless the material is very hard.
FYI a decent setup and reasonable quality drill, .0625 drill will typically oversize by .0015 +-.005 in steel for a .064+-.005 hole

If you want to be 100% sure, use a .067 reamer
 
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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2016, 02:53:00 am »
YouTube and Website Electronic Resources ------>  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/other-blog-specific/a/msg1341166/#msg1341166
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2016, 03:56:22 am »

then you have 114 other drills  :-DD


and a lunch box :-DD
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2016, 04:10:42 am »
After listening to all of you, I think I will give a try with a plain 1/16".   At the end, my project is very far from a precision exercise.   

But I will keep in mind the idea of using center / spot drill  (they aren't cheap) and the point about unavoidable drilled hole oversize.

I will postpone buying a set.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2016, 04:39:16 am »
Since we are talking about small drills, I lost mine.

It was the exact size of a red spray tube that comes with WD-40 cans.   I know it is not a standard size.  I was able to keep track of the bit for 5 years but I finally lost it.

The reason I need it, is I use it to drill holes into wood that has termites.  I have a 30cc syringe that I fitted the red tube to.  I then insert the syringe with a very good termite killer and inject it into the wood.  The special bit I had would allow the tube to go into the wood and create a seal that I could use pressure to push the liquid into the termite tubes.  Have had 100% success with it.  Now I need it again and do not have a drill guide.   The bit is probably 1/1000ths of an inch smaller than the tube.

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2016, 04:49:23 am »
I save those red tubes.  They live in a top drawer of my toolbox.

I can always find one there - but trying to keep them with the can is a sure way for them to disappear without a trace.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2016, 04:57:05 am »
I want to mount this press-fit micro jacks http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/215/471-744012.pdf in a plastic enclosure.

You definitely don't need or want a carbide drill bit for this.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2016, 02:19:45 pm »
FYI, in industry we use McMaster, they are the Mouser of Hardware!

IF you decide that you want a specific drill size, see here:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-drill-bits/=13x71lg
 
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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2016, 04:09:10 pm »
I want to mount this press-fit micro jacks http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/215/471-744012.pdf in a plastic enclosure.

You definitely don't need or want a carbide drill bit for this.

That is an intriguing statement.   Do you mean for this use I should avoid carbide ?   Or is it that HSS would perform best ?   Or is it I should just hammer the thing in  :-//
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2016, 06:15:13 pm »
I want to mount this press-fit micro jacks http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/215/471-744012.pdf in a plastic enclosure.

You definitely don't need or want a carbide drill bit for this.

That is an intriguing statement.   Do you mean for this use I should avoid carbide ?   Or is it that HSS would perform best ?   Or is it I should just hammer the thing in  :-//

An HSS bit would work fine, would be cheaper, and you wouldn't break it.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2016, 06:54:07 pm »
Got it, thanks.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2016, 12:49:49 am »
2 - Reference to another reputable seller

I've had a lot of success with this set of small drill bits from Harbor Freight.  And they are cheap.
http://www.harborfreight.com/high-speed-steel-micro-drill-bit-set-30-pc-61526.html


3 - I am thinking about getting this set http://drillbitsunlimited.com/20-Piece-Carburetor-Tuning-Drill-Bit-Set-Holley-Rochester-Carter-Mikuni-Walbro--P5452039.aspx.   Comments ?

You can get this same set of bits at Harbor Freight for less, but I can't find them on their website right now.

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2016, 05:33:47 pm »
2 - Reference to another reputable seller

I've had a lot of success with this set of small drill bits from Harbor Freight.  And they are cheap.
http://www.harborfreight.com/high-speed-steel-micro-drill-bit-set-30-pc-61526.html
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That is cheap, but as they get shuffled around without a case, I hate having to figure out what size is which.   Still, I may order a set may be put them in labeled baggies.

3 - I am thinking about getting this set http://drillbitsunlimited.com/20-Piece-Carburetor-Tuning-Drill-Bit-Set-Holley-Rochester-Carter-Mikuni-Walbro--P5452039.aspx.   Comments ?

You can get this same set of bits at Harbor Freight for less, but I can't find them on their website right now.

I found it.  It is a 20 bit Warrior branded set that I have seen in many places, with no description of its content, but from the feedback at HF, it has 10x2 bits, while the one I posted has 20 different bits.   
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2016, 10:37:45 pm »
For plastics You might want to do this:

(I know this is for brass but it works for plastics exactly the same thing).
 
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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2016, 09:11:45 pm »
For plastics You might want to do this:

(I know this is for brass but it works for plastics exactly the same thing).

How interesting!
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2016, 09:18:15 pm »
I buy my cutting tools from Little Machine Shop.  Most of his drill sets are Made In The USA.
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3043&category=-456343308
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2016, 06:05:09 pm »
 Try a hobby shop, either physical or online. In the US, there's a hobby tools company called Micro Mark that sells pretty much nothing BUT small tools, from hand tools to lathes and laser cutters. You can easily get stuff down to #80.

 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2016, 06:50:30 pm »
I just picked up a box of HSS small twist drills Microbox 0.5-2.2mm, guess what 0.7,0.9,1.1,1.4,1.6,1.7,1.9 and 2.1mm are missing grrrr.

If you're drilling a plastic enclosure then use HSS drill bit at low(ish) speed and drill a pilot hole first. Avoid carbide drills for this sort of job, they're exremely hard and very brittle, good for PCBs at high speed. If your carbide drill bit wanders or vibrates then say good bye drill bit.

 

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2016, 06:02:06 pm »
I just picked up a box of HSS small twist drills Microbox 0.5-2.2mm, guess what 0.7,0.9,1.1,1.4,1.6,1.7,1.9 and 2.1mm are missing grrrr.

If you're drilling a plastic enclosure then use HSS drill bit at low(ish) speed and drill a pilot hole first. Avoid carbide drills for this sort of job, they're exremely hard and very brittle, good for PCBs at high speed. If your carbide drill bit wanders or vibrates then say good bye drill bit.
if the drill you are using has what's called split point, then you can get away without drilling pilot hole at all, because the drill will center itself because it has a point in the middle and not a "chisel" edge.

 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2016, 06:38:52 pm »
<shamless_plug>Take a look at: http://www.soigeneris.com/drill_bits-list.aspx</shameless_plug>

The above is my website. The overall point is to buy good quality bits. Most of what you will find on EBay is cheap import bits that are not sharp and are made from something that only vaguely resembles carbide. If you use carbide bits use a drill press as they will not tolerate side loading and you will break them (as mentioned above). Dremel tools are great for many thing but their collets suck, they have a tremendous amount of run-out and will break small drill bits left and right. if you have one of the Dremel drill press attachments be warned. I've used inexpensive ($100) bench top drill presses that had good enough run-out that it was possible to get by with carbide bits.

If you are doing PCB work then carbide is a must, the FR4 will eat HSS tools very, very quickly. Not all carbide tools are the same, there are many grades of carbide and many quality levels to grinding the bits.
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2016, 06:50:20 pm »
If you are doing PCB work then carbide is a must, the FR4 will eat HSS tools very, very quickly. Not all carbide tools are the same, there are many grades of carbide and many quality levels to grinding the bits.

It would be nice if you would actually read the thread before plugging your site.  The OP is drilling plastic!
 

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Re: Source for fine drill bits
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2016, 07:14:06 pm »
It would be nice if you would actually read the thread before plugging your site.  The OP is drilling plastic!

No need to be a prick.

The small bits intended for PCB work are also good for general purpose work, they have a 1/8" shank and so are easy to hold in a common drill press which might not hold very small bits without a pin vise (which is another source of run-out). I read through the thread and there was some talk of PCB work thus the information about FR4 and different bit types. I also tried to add some good information about working with small drill bits.

I don't care where the OP buys his bits but was trying to help by providing useful information.
 

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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2016, 08:36:16 pm »
<shamless_plug>Take a look at: http://www.soigeneris.com/drill_bits-list.aspx</shameless_plug>

The above is my website. The overall point is to buy good quality bits. Most of what you will find on EBay is cheap import bits that are not sharp and are made from something that only vaguely resembles carbide. If you use carbide bits use a drill press as they will not tolerate side loading and you will break them (as mentioned above). Dremel tools are great for many thing but their collets suck, they have a tremendous amount of run-out and will break small drill bits left and right. if you have one of the Dremel drill press attachments be warned. I've used inexpensive ($100) bench top drill presses that had good enough run-out that it was possible to get by with carbide bits.

If you are doing PCB work then carbide is a must, the FR4 will eat HSS tools very, very quickly. Not all carbide tools are the same, there are many grades of carbide and many quality levels to grinding the bits.

Most rotary tool's out there expect ebay cheapies are pretty decent and have basically 0 runout.
I'm using SKIL rotary tool 125W basically a copy of dremel and by eye I dont see any runout at all, I drilled alot of holes using >0.3mm carbide drills from ebay and had 0 problems.
(I'm using homemade drilling stand if it matters).
 


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