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Stray Electron:

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--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 03, 2020, 01:55:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lord of nothing on March 03, 2020, 01:31:29 pm ---Sry I can't quote on my phone.
Its a huge problem. The main difference 8s the just do it by phone. The pretend to be from a Newspaper agency and try to convince people to order a newspaper to get a worthless voucher for an expensive turkey holiday.
So how to catch this scammer?

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In Middle Eastern cultures, it seems the onus is on the ordinary person to not be gullible...   whereas in northern countries, the onus is on the scammers to not be scammers!  I like the Middle Eastern approach better...


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I disagree. It's not right to allow people to pick on the stupid.

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   Fixed it for you.  While I agree that it shouldn't be allowed, it's impossible to stop and scams have been going on for as long as people have been around and people need to learn not be be so gullible. "Buyer Beware", "A fool and his money are soon separated", "there's a sucker born every minute", "don't buy a pig in a poke", "if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is".  How many times and ways to do you to tell people not to be scammed?   To start with, simply DO NOT do business with telemarkerters, EVER! No ifs, ands, maybes or buts.
chickadee:
There will always be people less fortunate, more gullible, not as "smart" as others, and taking advantage of this is evil, whether or not you think that you can blame it on the victim.

This is why capitol punishment is great...  You make examples of those "stupid" enough to prey on the "stupid"  :-DD

Eventually, either they wise up and stop taking advantage, or there is none of them left!
Zero999:

--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 03, 2020, 05:23:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 03, 2020, 04:19:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 03, 2020, 01:55:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lord of nothing on March 03, 2020, 01:31:29 pm ---Sry I can't quote on my phone.
Its a huge problem. The main difference 8s the just do it by phone. The pretend to be from a Newspaper agency and try to convince people to order a newspaper to get a worthless voucher for an expensive turkey holiday.
So how to catch this scammer?

--- End quote ---

In Middle Eastern cultures, it seems the onus is on the ordinary person to not be gullible...   whereas in northern countries, the onus is on the scammers to not be scammers!  I like the Middle Eastern approach better...


--- End quote ---
I disagree. It's not right to allow people to pick on the stupid.

--- End quote ---

   Fixed it for you.  While I agree that it shouldn't be allowed, it's impossible to stop and scams have been going on for as long as people have been around and people need to learn not be be so gullible. "Buyer Beware", "A fool and his money are soon separated", "there's a sucker born every minute", "don't buy a pig in a poke", "if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is".  How many times and ways to do you to tell people not to be scammed?   To start with, simply DO NOT do business with telemarkerters, EVER! No ifs, ands, maybes or buts.

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I don't think the victims are simply stupid. There's clearly a pattern: they're all over 50. Ignorance is more likely to blame, than gullibility. Younger people don't get caught, because they grew up using computers. Lots of older people have no idea and are easily duped.

I hope my parents are safe from this shit. My mum is totally clueless about computers so never uses one and my dad knows to just turn off the PC and hang up on anyone claiming to be tech support, Microsoft, Google etc. I've also told them to be wary of anyone who randomly calls up about their bank account, Internet/phone etc. and to never give any information to them.

It's completely unacceptable to blame the victim, irrespective of how stupid you might think they've been. Imagine a vulnerable relative or friend of yours fell victim to one of this cunts. Someone I know got tricked into taking indecent images of themself and emailing them to a bully, who was pretending to be a famous pop star. Some may blame the victim, but they couldn't help the fact, they have a learning disability, making them easy prey.

People should do what they can to protect themselves from falling victim to crime, but there will always be a small subsection of society who will incapable of this for whatever reason.
station240:

--- Quote from: StillTrying on March 03, 2020, 05:14:16 pm ---I didn't think the program was all that good, the best bit was probably the anti-scammers having hacked the scammer's cameras and 70,000 of the victims details.

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About a year ago another group got into a scammer operation, sabotaged everything they could.
1. Company bank account, passwords and account recovery all changed, all the payments refunded to the people they scammed.
2. Staff (scammers) personal Facebook accounts meddled with, to show their actual jobs, family members disowned them.
3. Boss's personal mobile phone voice mail password changed, altered message in fake indian account is rude and tells people where to go.
4. All their computers were wiped, or had ransonware installed, (I forget which).

Youtube is too PC so the video that shows all the above got deleted.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 03, 2020, 06:49:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Stray Electron on March 03, 2020, 05:23:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 03, 2020, 04:19:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on March 03, 2020, 01:55:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: Lord of nothing on March 03, 2020, 01:31:29 pm ---Sry I can't quote on my phone.
Its a huge problem. The main difference 8s the just do it by phone. The pretend to be from a Newspaper agency and try to convince people to order a newspaper to get a worthless voucher for an expensive turkey holiday.
So how to catch this scammer?

--- End quote ---

In Middle Eastern cultures, it seems the onus is on the ordinary person to not be gullible...   whereas in northern countries, the onus is on the scammers to not be scammers!  I like the Middle Eastern approach better...


--- End quote ---
I disagree. It's not right to allow people to pick on the stupid.

--- End quote ---

   Fixed it for you.  While I agree that it shouldn't be allowed, it's impossible to stop and scams have been going on for as long as people have been around and people need to learn not be be so gullible. "Buyer Beware", "A fool and his money are soon separated", "there's a sucker born every minute", "don't buy a pig in a poke", "if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is".  How many times and ways to do you to tell people not to be scammed?   To start with, simply DO NOT do business with telemarkerters, EVER! No ifs, ands, maybes or buts.

--- End quote ---
I don't think the victims are simply stupid. There's clearly a pattern: they're all over 50. Ignorance is more likely to blame, than gullibility. Younger people don't get caught, because they grew up using computers. Lots of older people have no idea and are easily duped.

I hope my parents are safe from this shit. My mum is totally clueless about computers so never uses one and my dad knows to just turn off the PC and hang up on anyone claiming to be tech support, Microsoft, Google etc. I've also told them to be wary of anyone who randomly calls up about their bank account, Internet/phone etc. and to never give any information to them.

It's completely unacceptable to blame the victim, irrespective of how stupid you might think they've been. Imagine a vulnerable relative or friend of yours fell victim to one of this cunts. Someone I know got tricked into taking indecent images of themself and emailing them to a bully, who was pretending to be a famous pop star. Some may blame the victim, but they couldn't help the fact, they have a learning disability, making them easy prey.

People should do what they can to protect themselves from falling victim to crime, but there will always be a small subsection of society who will incapable of this for whatever reason.

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Preying on loneliness and other human needs is as old as history.  -  I know people that let themselves be scammed despite knowing better, just because their need for what the scammer was giving them was so strong they couldn't stop themselves. 

Obviously you are right in saying that it is the scammer is the criminal, but the victim plays a part in it too.
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