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Title says it all:

https://techxplore.com/news/2021-08-rechargeable-batteries.html

The actual paper ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03757-z ) is behind a paywall, didn't find it on the usual other sources, and it's not like I'd understand the chemistry. Opinions?
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Don't get excited just yet.

The technology already exists to make rechargeable lithium metal batteries (these were the first kind to be produced). But lithium metal is rather reactive, and the batteries had a tendency to catch fire or explode. So lithium metal batteries were replaced by lithium ion batteries, which are the kind we have today. Lithium ion batteries contain no metallic lithium, so are much safer.

In this experiment, they propose to have not only lithium metal, but also possibly sodium metal! Sodium metal is vastly more reactive than lithium metal, so the thought of putting that in a battery is scary.

In short, an interesting experiment perhaps, but a very long way from being a safe, reliable and practical design.

Another point is that if you store 6x the energy inside a battery, it will take 6x longer to charge, and also if it fails it will release 6x the energy in unwanted heat, fire and flames. The big problem with electric batteries is you only have to accidentally short circuit them to let the energy out. The more energy they are storing, the worse the outcome.
 
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Re: Stanford University led team claims battery w. up to 6x energy density
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2021, 06:37:21 pm »
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Another point is that if you store 6x the energy inside a battery, it will take 6x longer to charge, and also if it fails it will release 6x the energy in unwanted heat, fire and flames.
I think the more interesting thing here is to store 1x the energy in 1/6th of the volume/mass.

But I understand your remaining points.
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Re: Stanford University led team claims battery w. up to 6x energy density
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2021, 09:01:16 pm »
The holy grail in battery design is related to EVs.  Increasing range is going to require hauling around more kWh.  If the battery is a lot smaller, less energy is wasted hauling it.  OR, for the same amount of weight, I get a lot more range.  I hope...

I agree, if there is a hazardous material in addition to whatever we have today, the new thing is a non-starter.  But maybe for stationary batteries, it's no big deal.

Here's a mega scale 'oopsie' at Australia's "Victorian Big Battery" site.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/tesla-megapack-caught-fire-at-victorian-big-battery-site-in-australia.html

Still, these big battery sites are going to become more prevalent as more load is carried by solar.

 


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