Star Trek Beyond. WARNING! SPOILERS!!!

[calexanian]

So I saw Star Trek Beyond yesterday. Let me get this out of the way up front.

SPOILERS!!!! TURN AWAY NOW!!!'


If I had written this right after I had watched the movie yesterday I would have truly hated it. The elephant in the room is they destroy the Enterprise in the first, let's say 20 minutes in a very bullshit way that lets the world know the people making those sort of decisions have no clue how the Star Trek fictional universe works and how the previous writers tried to always hinge everything that was at least partially based in some plausible science and the federation and starfleet run more or less how one might expect such a thing to be run if it were real.

Once you get past that point in the movie it actually is a pretty good action movie. It's better than that steaming pile of crap movie they dumped on us last time! This one was visually good. CG is really starting to work for me and not pull me out of the drama.

Yet again, a pretty good movie, but not really Star Trek. This movie would have worked just as well if it was some random new Sci Fi franchise.

 They did pay some respect to Nimoys death and Yelchin's death in the credits. Spoiler again, Old Spock dies. Not seen on camera. Young Spock receives some momentos of his including a picture of what looks like the cast photo on Star Trek V or VI which is a little tiny pay off to actual Star Trek Fans.

Lots of references to the show Enterprise. That was a nice touch but really unnessicary.

There are several other things I could complain about, but whatever. Clearly paramount wants to make Star Trek more like star wars. Make all dialog one sentence or less. Etc etc. no charachter development and leave no time for the plot to breathe. Everything that made TNG and DS9 great are NOT present anymore and it looks like the upcoming series will be no different.

[MT]

I recall ST have been more technically correct then SW over the years .I would like to see more technically correct SCIFI movies rather based on action. Its kind of intellectual insult when SCIFI always ends in ludicrous action that dont fit physical laws, like Prometheus, great CG nice base history but in the end Ridley Scott blew it all.  ................However i will watch STB when it becomes available on VHS.

[calexanian]

Hahaha. On VHS? Otherwise I agree

[GEuser]

I really get a kick out of all those sounds in space , the explosions and the engines as something goes by or zooms off , all that type of stuff .

Also the non splattering against the back wall when the throttles are turned up to warp from a standstill , also gravity what gravity , but i still watch them anyway .

Prometheus i thought was a good story-line (but still quite pick-able at) and i hope they do not make a mess out of the next one as i enjoyed the previous .

Imo too .

[GEuser]

I forgot to take a snipe too .

Lets all go to the planet Mars and live there instead , It's only -200C there so not to cool at least the beer won't be warm like the British like it .

[calexanian]

They actually address the idea of inertial splatterment. Unfortunately they have a rather gutted take on it. In Trek jargon they loose inertial stabilizers and you see people flowing around han having a hard time standing and walking. In reality if a space craft were to be moving like that at those speeds everybody would be a slushy mass of goo draining to wherever inertia was dragging them.

[Brumby]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

[Brumby]

They actually address the idea of inertial splatterment. Unfortunately they have a rather gutted take on it. In Trek jargon they loose inertial stabilizers and you see people flowing around han having a hard time standing and walking. In reality if a space craft were to be moving like that at those speeds everybody would be a slushy mass of goo draining to wherever inertia was dragging them.

I, too, was very impressed that the whole issue of massive acceleration was addressed by the term 'inertial dampeners'.  The term is self explanatory and the technology is never addressed.

[bitseeker]

Brumby, there's some coverage of how such dampers might work (as well as other goodies) in, "The Physics of Star Trek." Fun little book.

[bitseeker]

calexanian, thanks for the warnings about the movie. I may watch it when it's on video, if there isn't a good teardown or something to watch instead. 

[calexanian]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

Actually Newtonian motion physics work reasonably well in figuring out movement in space. Movies try to make ships follow areodynamic movement rather than pure Newtonian motion.

[German_EE]

The first rebooted Star Trek movie was OK although destroying the planet Vulcan did raise a few WTF moments.

The second rebooted Star Trek movie was garbage and put me off anything to do with Simon Pegg for life, he also ruined two Mission Impossible movies.

I will not be watching the third movie in the rebooted franchise.

[Tomorokoshi]

Good to know, although not surprising. Compared to those movies this is +40 dB better anyway:

http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes.html

[bitseeker]

Thanks, Tomorokoshi. I've not seen these.

[Kevman]

Its a really good movie if you ignore its plot. 

Seriously, there's so many plot holes it would be pointless to even try to list them. The villain really had no motivation whatsoever other than "I miss killing people  " But it was a ton of fun.

But the way they show the Enterprise breaking apart was so cool, with the decks appearing and parts flying. And the timelapse for the new one being built. I wonder how long that took to animate? It was really neat to see, though.

[Homer J Simpson]

Adam Savage's Star Trek Beyond Costume

[calexanian]

The boots used in TOS and Next Gen were said to be very comfortable. Apart from a few ultra expensive companies making them I wonder why that soft leather Italian style boot is not more easily available. They have such a great look and have a little arch and lift built in for us with fallen arches. Last year i tried to find a pair of Beatle boots and could not. Basically the same type of design but a little more fancy looking. 

[David Hess]

I forgot to take a snipe too .

Lets all go to the planet Mars and live there instead , It's only -200C there so not to cool at least the beer won't be warm like the British like it .

Wind chill is less of a factor do to the lack of, well, wind.  In space where it is colder the problem is getting *rid* of waste heat.

[David Hess]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

Newtonian mechanics work just fine in space.  That is the problem.

[David Hess]

I recall ST have been more technically correct then SW over the years .I would like to see more technically correct SCIFI movies rather based on action. Its kind of intellectual insult when SCIFI always ends in ludicrous action that dont fit physical laws, like Prometheus, great CG nice base history but in the end Ridley Scott blew it all.  ................However i will watch STB when it becomes available on VHS.

Star Trek varies on the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction Hardness depending on the writer but Star Wars is just Space Opera.

[ludzinc]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

Newtonian mechanics work just fine in space.  That is the problem.

The re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series did space flight very, very well.

Too bad the plot fell to pieces after season 2....

[David Hess]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

Newtonian mechanics work just fine in space.  That is the problem.

The re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series did space flight very, very well.

Too bad the plot fell to pieces after season 2....

The reimaged Gallactica did it better but I would not go so far as to say well.  I liked the battle at Ragnar Anchorage where Gallactica operated as an escort for the fleet to the jump point.

When I first watched episode 1 of Firefly, I almost jumped up and cheered when the Reaver ship executed a burn to deorbit into the atmosphere.  Forward takes you out, out takes you back, back takes you in, and in takes you forward.

[Brumby]

I would really love to know what mechanism allows dog fights in space - a gross concern in the Star Wars franchise.

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

Newtonian mechanics work just fine in space.  That is the problem.

Picky (but I should have expected that.)

I needed to be a bit more specific......

From my understanding, Newtonian mechanics in a dog fight don't work too well without an atmosphere to push against.

[calexanian]

I finally put a finger on what I dont like about this movie!

It does nothing to move the characters along. It ads not one single thing to anybodies story.


Ok. I have thought about it for a few days now, and I am starting to really not like this movie. After the flashy effects and big sound are forgotten you are left with a plot that does not really go anywhere and massive holes and dead ends. Did nobody even remotely familiar with star trek ethos even read the screenplay?

[GEuser]

Also in a lot of these new movies is all that Face Talking , you know those up in the face shots in where your supposed to perceive? or imagine what someone is thinking or reacting too with a face look (Face Talking) , like on the Days of our Lives TV series , not that i have watched more than 1 minutes worth of DOL mind you .

In fact Face Talking is sneaking in all over the place ! , you should see it on Good Morning America , combine that with Vocal Frying and LOL .

iMO of course .