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Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« on: December 16, 2017, 07:03:26 pm »
Such an utter disappointment. I'm totally heart broken.

They just re-hashing old plot lines for a new generation and it just didn't work.  |O
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 07:35:55 pm »
I bet most here have not been to a theater for a while.  This being a technology related blog, folks here doesn't seem to be the theater going kind but instead watch things on PC/Smartphones and the likes - but that is just my guess.

In my view, Hollywood long since lost it's creative mind.  Most of their block busters are just budget busters.  Too many of their new films are old films redone.  There is an over-reliant on CGI but absence in having a compelling story line.

They are almost like the car industry.  Year to year, same model car is like last year, add a few mostly meaningless gadgets,  make it a little larger and flashier, but overall having hard time matching the excitement or performance the original at introduction.  But, Hollywood is worst than the car industry in some ways.  At least, the car doesn't try to preach a political believe whereas actors and actresses often do.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 03:42:53 pm »
I just watch the RLM reviews and Nerd Crew mockery and I find that far more rewarding and funny.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 04:29:06 pm »
How did they manage to rehash anything? I thought the first new movie rehashed pretty much everything.

Father son betrayal in reverse, death star, youth from backwater awakening to power, new Han solo equivalent. The token black guy was original I guess, the most interesting character too.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 12:20:42 am »
It was crap.
But i don't like Star Wars as a genre anyway; just got dragged along with the rest of the family.
Maybe someone could reorder all the scenes and put it in youtube.
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 02:23:25 am »
How did they manage to rehash anything? I thought the first new movie rehashed pretty much everything.

Yes, I don't understand, what did they "rehash" in The Last Jedi?
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 06:14:17 am »
Having only seen the last trailer myself, I think I noticed that the CGI for Chewbacca was bad and that the large walkers had comical canopy/bridge designs and having monkey fists, and that annoyed me. I have gotten really tired of the stupid shit in the new Star Wars movies, and why would I watch a movie that I know will annoy me? Also, I thought the change to X-Wing design on the backside was silly, basically undermining the premise of these movies, having character with all the known iconic stuff in the first place. I promised myself to not even watch this new one. The plan was to not see The Last Jedi until reviewers had a good look at it, but then I caved in and watched the trailer (I normally try to avoid watching trailers for movies I want to see), and then I got the impression that they keep adding silly things, and that was it. [Needless to say perhaps, I will never watch 'The Last Jedi'.]

I won't discuss what I think is wrong with the actual movie, because I haven't seen it and so it would be silly of me to talk about it I think. :|

Oh, one thing I am wondering about. Does Disney actually own ALL the rights to Star Wars? That penguin alien shown in the trailer reminded me of the creature seen in the very first Star Wars comic, though these other ones fed off energy and had an antenna on their head, and had telepathic capabilities. If they really wanted to re-create or reference that alien from the comic book, surely they could easily do that, or, maybe I am thinking, maybe they don't own the rights to all things in the past like stuff seen in old Star Wars comics. Afaik, the Star Trek franchise is split between two corporations owning the material (movies vs tv-series), and I think I've heard on youtube that this might be why they had to create this quite different look to the new Discovery series. Also, the crystal dog seen in the trailer for The Last Jedi looked to me like a rip off from the beast dog design in the last Riddick movie imo.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 06:25:17 am »
Having seen the last trailer, I think I noticed that the CGI for Chewbacca was bad and that the large walkers had weird canopy/bridge designs and having monkey fists, and that annoyed me. I have gotten realy tired of the stupid shit in the new Star Wars movies, and why would I watch a movie that I know will annoy me? I promised myself to not even watch this new one. The plan was to not see The Last Jedi until reviewers had a good look at it, but then I caved in and watched the trailer (I normally try to avoid watching trailers for movies I want to see), and then I got the impression that they keep adding silly things, and that was it.

I won't discuss what I think is wrong with the actual movie, because I haven't seen it and so it would be silly of me to talk about it I think. :|

Chewbacca was in The Last Jedi? Could have fooled me (hyperole).  But I honestly didn't notice whether he was CGI or not because he was such a minor part of the story relatively and mostly overshadowed by those stupid things. edit: really lets call them merchandising opportunities.

Not sure what I think of this one, yet. First impression is that I enjoyed it more than The Force Awakens but less than Rogue One. I don't really want to compare them to Lucas's work though because those eras were so different. But definitely agreed with Dave about the length. There was a time when you think its about to wrap up into a nice conclusion, but then sudden 180 and action picks right back up again. Felt more like an appendix rather than the natural conclusion because they were trying to force the story... Was in the back of the theater and more than a few people shifted in their seats when that scene took place.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 10:59:02 pm »
How did they manage to rehash anything? I thought the first new movie rehashed pretty much everything.

Yes, I don't understand, what did they "rehash" in The Last Jedi?

I think they rehashed quite a lot...

-Movie opens up to rebels rushing to escape from their base which has been discovered and is under assault from empire... escaping by the skin of their teeth just as the base is destroyed (exact same opening as ESB)

-Base comes under attack by AT-AT's, rebel pilots go forth in their little craft to take on the AT-AT's... their plan is ultimately unsuccessful and the empire ends up destroying the base, and we have the scene with the sith lord ransacking the base with his troops, looking for the rebels, only to realize they just escaped moments before (same as in ESB)

-Rebels are in the clutches of the Empire and the only way to escape is to sneak onto the Empire ship and disable the device which is preventing their escape.  In ANH it's Obi-Wan that sneaks in and disables the tractor beam.  In TLJ, it's Rose and Fin that sneak in and disable the tracker.

-Naive and inexperienced Jedi seeks out Jedi master who doesn't want to help.  Jedi at first refuses to train the newbie, but after some time comes around.  The newbie learns that their friends are in imminent danger and wants to rush away to confront the sith lord before their training is complete, believing that there IS still good in the sith lord and they can turn them.  The jedi master says no, you will be tempted by the dark side - you are not strong enough!  The young jedi goes anyway, only to be led right to the sith master by his underling, who gives them the choice... join us or die.  The young jedi holds fast against the temptation of the dark side, and the sith master decides the young jedi will die... except the sith lord at the last moment rebels against his masters plan and kills him.  Straight outta ROTJ.


This is a whole new movie - I don't see why they need to keep dipping into what's already happened in the previous movies for ideas.  They have a completely blank slate and ought to be coming up with more original ideas, IMO.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 11:11:11 pm »
I thought it was ok, but I entered with low expectations. I thought there was a lot of slow drama punctuated by some cool fight scenes however analyzing the situation one has to wonder why they're messing around with light saber hand to hand combat when there are obviously plenty of projectile/energy weapons around. That said, if you spend too much time analyzing, pretty much any sci-fi plot falls apart.

I went as part of a team event for work so it was more fun than working, but generally speaking the theater has little appeal to me anymore. I have a big TV at home, and a much more comfortable seat to sit in. It's not the same as it was back when watching a movie at home meant a VHS tape on a 19" TV with mono sound.
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2017, 12:08:57 am »
Well, the sith student kills his master, and Luke dissapears like ben and Yoda, and there are several, the rebels escape in the nick of time situations. There was a little recycling of plot points. Something Something dark side, Something Something complete from family guy comes to mind comes to mind.

The biggest thing I am curious about is how did the first order get so big so fast? They went from having the republic in power to suddenly being the same band of rebels on the run in just a few years? It makes no sense and is bad story telling.

The movie looked great, but in their rush to pander to fan service and cram as much Star Wars lore as they could into it the story and movie making suffered quite a bit. I will put it another way. It feels a lot like The Empire Strikes Back.

Another comparison.

I recently watched the extended cut of Star Trek 2 the Wrath of Khan on the big screen a month or so ago. I always had thought of that movie as a good Star Trek move but rather campy and of the time. Watching it now I realized it was an incredibly well made movie that used plot, suspense, and timing to cover over the low budget they had. Characters and dialog mattered.  If you took all of the dialog out of this Star Wars movie and replaced it with Jawa or Minion noises you would not miss a thing. It was so visually based.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2017, 12:12:41 am »
I was a bit annoyed that they had that whole big plot line with the code breaker that went absolutely nowhere. They could have left that entire portion on the cutting room floor and nobody would have noticed.
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2017, 05:26:31 am »
The young jedi goes anyway, only to be led right to the sith master by his underling, who gives them the choice... join us or die.
As if that hasn't been done before.

 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2017, 06:20:45 am »
Yeah. Benecio Del Toro was the most interesting character, and they booted him from the plot asap.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2017, 03:29:59 pm »
Well, last night I made a terrible mistake, I went to see 'The Last Jedi'. It's probably the worst movie of all nine and to show what I mean I'll concentrate on the mistakes and leave the acting alone for now.

1) Bombers in Space
At the approximate height that the bombers were operating there would be little or no gravity so how are the bombs supposed to fall? In any event one bomber does manage to release it's load and the bombs fall straight down, this is also wrong as the forward movement of the ship would be added to the trajectory and the bombs would fall in a curve.

2) Spaceships Stopping Dead Due to Lack of Fuel
According to Newton's Laws of Motion, a moving body in space will continue to move in the same direction until subjected to an outside force. Spacecraft use their engines only to accelerate and decelerate and if that engine dies from lack of fuel then the vessel will coast in a straight line along its present course whilst maintaining its speed.

3) Spaceships Traveling at Light Speed As A Weapon
Jumping to light speed then ramming another ship, cool idea, why didn't the rebel alliance use this as a weapon before now? Two old clunkers sent into action and both Death Stars would be gone, a few more and every Star Destroyer would be wrecked.

4) A Rebel Base With a Back Door
So, you build a rebel base and equip it with the biggest strongest door the galaxy has ever seen, you then ignore the cave system behind you that has a back door covered by a small layer of boulders. No problem chaps!

5) Leia and the Bridge Explosion
This COULD have been used by Disney as a vehicle to write Carrie Fisher out of the script. If there is a rapid atmosphere release on a spaceship and you're sucked out then you continue to move away as your blood boils and you freeze to death (and this happens within seconds). But no, instead the Princess flies through the void like superwoman and, surprise surprise, she's still alive.

6) The Scar
So, they can travel faster than light, destroy planets and build androids that can speak and translate multiple languages. They can't however make a simple scar on the face vanish.

7) The Dudes in Red
After Snoke is killed why do the dudes in red attack? Their master is dead and Kylo Ren is their new boss so why are they attacking him and Rey?

8) Finn and the Cannon
Finn rides one of those beat-up salt skimmers right up the radiation beam of a big honking space gun. Why isn't he dead?

9) Master Luke's Arm
When at the end Jedi Master Luke Skywalker ascends, or whatever dead Jedi do, why does he take his artificial arm with him?

10) The Scene in the Mirror Cave
The scene where Rey falls through the hole in the ground and encounters multiple images of herself, what was that about?

Maybe this is because of the dumbing down of America, maybe Disney have no actual scientists on the payroll, I don't know, but if this is what the new Star Wars is going to be like I'm not watching anymore.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2017, 05:05:49 pm »
Did spacecraft ever fly realistically in the Star Wars movies?
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2017, 05:19:51 pm »
How did they manage to rehash anything? I thought the first new movie rehashed pretty much everything.

Yes, I don't understand, what did they "rehash" in The Last Jedi?

The whole Star Wars saga is a giant rehash:

The Hero’s Journey

Now they’re just rehashing the rehash.  Still great fun though.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2017, 09:50:55 pm »
5) Leia and the Bridge Explosion
This COULD have been used by Disney as a vehicle to write Carrie Fisher out of the script. If there is a rapid atmosphere release on a spaceship and you're sucked out then you continue to move away as your blood boils and you freeze to death (and this happens within seconds). But no, instead the Princess flies through the void like superwoman and, surprise surprise, she's still alive.
Like Superwoman?
I thought it was more like Mary Poppins.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2017, 10:24:42 pm »
Spaceships Stopping Dead Due to Lack of Fuel

Ah, but you're applying the wrong set of physical laws.

Just because Newton rules here, doesn't mean he does everywhere.  :D
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2017, 10:30:37 pm »
Did spacecraft ever fly realistically in the Star Wars movies?
Did spacecraft ever fly realistically in any movie ?

Answering my own question somewhat 2001 paid goog attention to physics - beyond that?.......
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2017, 10:33:20 pm »
luke skywalkers death
another movie that may disappoint. unless CGI is all that matters.
give this a miss. from what your all saying about it.


about sums it up ?  is this review


 I may just get it, on DVD in 2018 just to see how they mangled my childhood memories




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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2017, 08:29:43 am »
Saw it yesterday and it's just OK... It had a few good moments, but some were just irritating or plain stupid and definitely outweigh them?.
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2017, 08:54:02 am »
Hollywood ran out of ideas several decades ago. However, they do a good job glamorizing guns and violence, and promoting a fantasy world that satisfies corporate interests and the US public buys into as aspirational reality. It makes it a lot easier former actors and real estate tycoons to become President. Ultimately it will lead to the destruction of the US as a global power.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2017, 09:16:05 am »
5) Leia and the Bridge Explosion
This COULD have been used by Disney as a vehicle to write Carrie Fisher out of the script. If there is a rapid atmosphere release on a spaceship and you're sucked out then you continue to move away as your blood boils and you freeze to death (and this happens within seconds). But no, instead the Princess flies through the void like superwoman and, surprise surprise, she's still alive.
Like Superwoman?
I thought it was more like Mary Poppins.

Yep, I instantly thought of Marry Poppins, and it was a totally cringeworthy moment.
I didn't agree with her surviving, but fine if they wanted to do that, it's just that the editing on this sucked arse and it was embarrassing.
I was hoping Leia would use the force, and maybe force choke someone or something cool like that, but this was pretty lame.
 

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2017, 09:23:07 am »
Other things I didn't enjoy were:
- The whole Finn and Rose escapade was just stupid and could be cut from the entire movie. So many cringeworthy moment like here saving him, kissing him (which he didn't seem to want), saving the animals as if it's more important than saving the galaxy. I knew that story arc was setting up the kid with the force at the end, but that surely could have been done another way. Every time Finn & Rose came on the story pretty much stopped.
And what's with her going from back room tech(?) to flying the Falcon? BS.

- The purple hair commander, terrible acting. And what's with the whole connection thing with her and Leia and their crush on Poe? It felt awkward.

- Luke dying I didn't agree with, it didn't add anything and they wasted the only major character left from the original franchise who's passionate about it and can act, and could have done so much more cool stuff in #9. I liked the force projection trick, but would have preferred to see Luke do some real Jedi arse kicking. And what's with Rey just beating him with ease?, that's BS. I like Rey, but I think they had her way to powerful too quickly.

- They didn't answer a bunch of stuff, like Snoke (who was actually cool), and Rey's parents was a big letdown, but I know it does advance the "anyone can have the force" concept (which is ok).

And there are other problems, but I still enjoyed it a lot, and even on the 2nd viewing.
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