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Starship/SuperHeavy orbital Flight Test LIVE
coppercone2:
This one struck me as amusing, glad they clarified (seriously)
coppercone2:
and perhaps they should have added a voice over if there is clapping, like 'the traditional mission end clap has begun' because its just disturbing to see people clapping when their experiment just went up in smoke lol, wtf
I mean you can clap if a gymnast makes a mistake, but your not gonna clap if they impaled themselves on a pole vault or something. It seems like a explosion should exclude clapping unless its a bomb. :-//
tom66:
--- Quote from: coppercone2 on April 20, 2023, 09:30:12 pm ---yeah I feel like there is politispeak behind this one. the rocket performed well until it failed catastrophically ::)
With NASA it would be 'rocket exploded after launch' with elon musk you get some crazy shit. Whats with the people clapping when its spinning out of control too, bizarre! I just find it odd people are never that kind to NASA with... post launch analysis
Until I watched the video, even after trying to do 5 minutes of research, it was unclear to me if it exploded or not. Impressive PR ??? I don't have any real problem with rockets exploding, I know their complicated especially when you are trying to be cheap, but damn the initial presentation I got seemed like it was made by Elliot Carver (James Bond, Tomorrow Never Dies)! It seems that is cleared up now.
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This kind of thing is the difference between NASA and the private sector providers like SpaceX though.
SpaceX embraces a Silicon Valley type mindset of "fail fast and often", whereas NASA would spend over 10 years designing, testing and simulating a new launch system with it launching perfectly first time (SLS).
Look at how much effort SpaceX spent on trying to get boosters to land. They didn't care if they failed, because as far as they were concerned, the rocket was trash anyway.
I think there's a time and a place for this mindset, perhaps in aerospace engineering it makes some people nervous, but it is a unique attitude. It's not tolerable if you have humans in danger, but it's tolerable when all it is, is some investors and billionaires cash.
coppercone2:
I just think they should have been more clear with the headline like 'test rocket explodes but delivers useful telemetry'.
Maybe its just me, but any time a big explosion is downplayed, it makes me a little nervous you know? I feel like someone is trying to alter my 'risk matrix'. I don't think anything good can come of people renaming explosions. Nothing wrong about being proud of making a explosion, its impressive and often useful, but its putting paint on a pond to rename it.
SiliconWizard:
It's just the first test flight. I don't see a big problem with focusing on the good parts when the team considers they have reached their goals rather than focusing on the explosion.
I'm personally more concerned when people start downplaying other people's death. ::)
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