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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 03:36:04 am »
i forgot , I just remember the end

maybe it teleported into the molten section of the planet?
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 03:37:28 am »
what would happen if the mass of a raptor was all placed inside of a tiny void in solid stone?

what form of matter would it be?
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 04:19:07 am »
i forgot , I just remember the end

maybe it teleported into the molten section of the planet?

No, the Raptors were in formation so they knew it ended up inside of a mountain.

Jumping into an atmosphere without problems implies something other than merging is occurring like you suggested.

what would happen if the mass of a raptor was all placed inside of a tiny void in solid stone?

what form of matter would it be?

Matter is mostly empty space so it would not be like a nuclear event even if they merged.  Molecules are large compared to the nuclei of their atoms so the result would be a real mess.  Electron pressure would roughly conserve volume so it would make quite a bang but not like an explosive.

Merging into the atmosphere would hardly do anything in comparison except for the embolism part I mentioned.  I think that would kill someone and break a lot of stuff.
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2019, 06:56:20 am »
but when they do those planetary jumps with the galactica IIRC it looks like a bunch of air is being displaced away from the ship, not being integrated into it.

do you think its just around the hull? so the air pressure inside doubles?

it would also fill any weld voids in the hull so it would get 'atmospheric air' imbritlement ?

the whole idea of it being hollow complicates things.

so air molecules that are already there can join gas pockets etc, but if there is a solid object the air is displaced around it? do all solid objects materialize from the center and appear outwards (mechanism of expansion?)

if its fast then the air would like make a explosive pressure front ?

like say its plate armor is 2 feet thick, that means a its like a infinitely thin plunger appearing inside the air and expanding outwards at some insane velocity, so I think that air would get really hot

imagine a 2x2 cube of steel plate, so it would form initially as some kind of single atom layer with 1 foot of air on each side that expands outwards, displacing air really fast. I think it would blow up if it worked that way. Like if you imagine it getting thicker and thicker 1 atom layer at a time. so if you displace 2 cubic feet of air nearly instantaneously won't that be like detonating explosives?

i mean if you get yourself a 2x2 foot sheet metal segment and wave it around like a fan, it moves quite a bit of air and you can probobly knock small objects over (like a Styrofoam cup). Imagine that at high speed  :scared:

i think this needs another explanation because I think it would frag the people in the ship if it worked that way.

i think adama would ablate or something if he just expanded from 2d into 3x like that, then he would get torn apart by a shockwave generated from the hull materializing, so it would be like exploding plasma man I think

is it any different then painting the walls with high explosives??
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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 07:10:33 am »
For so long people have been thinking of time as something to move through, in the 4D sense, well what if time really is just things changing, and there is nothing to go to....if u wanted to go to the state of things some time ago , u would really have to put all the particles back where they were and with the "same" stats. and in QM, so...., as best the HUP would say they were any place to start with.......

I really think sci-fi has spoiled us on this.and in fact there's no reason in SR and GR to think it's like going from town to town.
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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2019, 05:09:52 pm »
I read somewhere that Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.  I suppose then the three spatial dimensions are what keep everything from being in the same place.  Don't cosmologists theorize that at the earliest moments of the Big Bang, the Universe was smaller than a proton?
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2019, 07:58:20 pm »
Stealing time? Isn't that what yer all doin' posting on eevblog at work?   >:D
 


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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2019, 11:12:19 pm »
but when they do those planetary jumps with the galactica IIRC it looks like a bunch of air is being displaced away from the ship, not being integrated into it.

do you think its just around the hull? so the air pressure inside doubles?

it would also fill any weld voids in the hull so it would get 'atmospheric air' imbritlement ?

We know something is being done because nobody is dying.  Beyond that it never became important for the series.
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2019, 11:25:11 pm »
but when they do those planetary jumps with the galactica IIRC it looks like a bunch of air is being displaced away from the ship, not being integrated into it.

do you think its just around the hull? so the air pressure inside doubles?

it would also fill any weld voids in the hull so it would get 'atmospheric air' imbritlement ?

We know something is being done because nobody is dying.  Beyond that it never became important for the series.

i thought they said something about the last jump weaking the hull the a non repairable state
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2019, 02:02:07 am »
i thought they said something about the last jump weaking the hull the a non repairable state

That is a different problem which I suspect was just to drive the plot to an end which did not make a whole lot of sense.
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2019, 02:05:35 am »
I am pretty sure it had something to do with the atmosphere but I am only on s01e06 in my rewatch and its hard to pay attention to this show because I find myself thinking what I would do if I was there

I think its because I don't really like any of the characters in BSG so I imagine myself there. shitty people compared to stargate
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2019, 03:11:49 am »
I am pretty sure it had something to do with the atmosphere but I am only on s01e06 in my rewatch and its hard to pay attention to this show because I find myself thinking what I would do if I was there.

They mention early in the series that nobody has done so many jumps for such long distances and that they do not know how it will affect the ships.  The symptoms they find suggest dislocations in crystalline materials producing work hardening in metals but if that was the case, I think they would have noticed their electronic systems failing very quickly.  Just accept it as a poorly considered plot element which is hardly unusual in Hollywood science fiction.

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I think its because I don't really like any of the characters in BSG so I imagine myself there. shitty people compared to stargate

Stargate SG-1 is really good.  Just hearing the theme brings a tear to my eye now.  I was thinking of getting a Tau'ri patch to put on my field jacket.
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2019, 03:26:08 am »
if you were hard core you would pour gold on your forehead
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2019, 12:40:32 pm »
if you were hard core you would pour gold on your forehead

Why would I do that?  I am no First Prime.
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2019, 03:53:17 pm »
if dave jones was a system lord 8)
 

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Re: Stealing Time - SciFi Time Travel
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2019, 03:33:47 am »
if dave jones was a system lord 8)

I for one welcome our Australian system overlords.
 


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