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STMicroelectronics Shortage
S. Petrukhin:
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--- Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 12, 2020, 10:04:25 am ---By the way, ESP, as far as I understand, is a completely Chinese project... What do you say? What other processors have similar functionality? Only recently has ST released a processor of this type.
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With quite some help from our international friends.
I believe while the hardware is Chinese with a bunch of Western IPs (mostly, the CPU and IF ADC/DAC), a substantial portion of its BSP and toolchain are written by ESP's employees from former-USSR countries and India, and a few from Australia, USA and more.
I believe some of their top developers are from Russia (igrr, the boss of their software team), Bulgaria and Slovakia.
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But these guys work in China, right? In America, you know, there is also a good international of developers and programmers.
And I worked briefly as a programmer in the US. :)
I am saying that ESP was definitely not stolen from anyone, it is a unique proprietary product.
dietert1:
I am wondering whose business contributors promote, who put everything in terms of nationality. I think STM is a multinational, like most of the others. That Chinese are emphasizing their national efforts means they are a little backward, similar to the electors of Trump. I can't believe people in China are more intelligent or better educated than elsewhere. The communities of the 21st century are global.
Regards, Dieter
Kjelt:
--- Quote from: blueskull on December 12, 2020, 09:50:48 am ---I just did.
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No you did not, you pointed to western made compilers , infrastructure and all cloned and copied stuff from western manufacturers.
If the chinese are so terrific and great it is about time they invent and improve their own things instead of copying existing stuff, the world is waiting, and still disappointed.
Kjelt:
--- Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 12, 2020, 10:00:36 am ---It's amazing to me. I understand the European bureaucracy, but I have always thought about the strong dependence of power in Europe on the desires of people.
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We are still not one in Europe and the EU government is divided by national interests that conflict.
Most people I talked with have lost their faith in the EU and their old fashioned investment plans. Instead of making huge efforts to boost technological development most money goes to farmers and last century technology. And the potatoeheads sitting in the parliament all are products of alfa and gamma party time studies. Oh well at least it is peace, for now.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: Kjelt on December 12, 2020, 08:21:50 am ---Can you show me the great GD free compiler, ide, experimenting boards, programmers , oh wait no you can't.
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The actual software workflow for STM32 is usually completely based on free, open source GNU tools, specifically and most significantly, gcc, but also binutils, gdb, newlib, etc. ST has basically zero contribution to any of this. ARM as a company has likely significantly contributed to gcc-arm, but again GigaDevices are licensing ARM cores properly (they likely get a good deal from ARM; it's way easier to just buy the licences than to try to recreate binary-compatible core like Cyrix was of Pentium).
The utter pile of software shit produced by ST to run on the top of the actual backend is of near-zero value. The fact people use these tools does not mean they are really useful, or needed; they just exist, are easy to download and run on Windows, hence used.
Your lack of understanding and replacing it with ideological mental dishonesty is showing, and ugly.
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