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| S. Petrukhin:
You know, as a consumer, I like having full compatibility. If ST or someone else doesn't like it, convince the court. Personally I haven't seen any complaints about GD. Europe is now very unreliable, some cataclysms or just crazy politicians can make STM32 inaccessible to me. This is probably already happening. I'll just buy a GD32 from the Chinese guys and solder it in place of the STM32. And most likely I will specify GD32 in the next purchase. There is also an analog of STM32 in Russia, but it has significant differences, is very expensive and difficult to access - it is produced for military purposes. |
| S. Petrukhin:
--- Quote from: dietert1 on December 12, 2020, 11:11:31 am ---I am wondering whose business contributors promote, who put everything in terms of nationality. I think STM is a multinational, like most of the others. That Chinese are emphasizing their national efforts means they are a little backward, similar to the electors of Trump. I can't believe people in China are more intelligent or better educated than elsewhere. The communities of the 21st century are global. Regards, Dieter --- End quote --- Guys in China are more hardworking, more efficient, and less whimsical - I think so. :) I can say this with confidence about Russian people. |
| GK2:
--- Quote from: Kjelt on December 12, 2020, 05:05:32 pm ---Good to hear, looking forward to fresh products. --- End quote --- Well, so long as they do better than Tsinghua Unigroup; one of China's largest technology conglomerates which just a little while ago was tendering multi billion dollar acquisitions and was being spruiked as one of, if not the key player in China's pending conquering of Western dominance in semiconductor technology. This State Owned Enterprise that reportedly gets 30% of its funding from the state is now just one of the latest casualties in China's record yuan tally of bond defaulters for 2020 and is sending out warnings that it possibly faces bankruptcy. This is the "efficiency" of China's debt-driven growth model finally beginning to pay dividends I guess, but that won't deter the sycophants with their blinders on. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-10/tsinghua-unigroup-s-debt-risk-widens-with-dollar-bond-defaults https://www.ft.com/content/ee38e7b8-989b-4130-bf76-707805104d06 |
| uski:
Having worked in high volume manufacturing, I know how bad it can be to deal with a shortage And I can saw that ST is shooting themselves in the foot if they are making their customers suffer from a shortage, because customers will switch if it gets bad enough. And once a customer switch, it is hard to get them back. It is difficult to switch from a microcontroller since a lot of code has to be ported, but this is also why it is even harder to regain a customer once the have switched. In a previous company I worked in, I remember blacklisting both Atmel and Winbond because they f***** up. For years they tried to come back, but we wanted to do nothing with them. Atmel de-committed from a delivery because they got a big order from a bigger customer and wanted to serve them instead, putting us in a very dire situation. Next design was without any Atmel part and we made sure we had no Atmel part anywhere. This was 8+ years ago and to this day they are still blacklisted in the company. And Winbond promised a super price to win the design, and increased significantly the pricing as we were close to production to corner us. I never removed a flash chip from my design so quick. W*nkers ! I work in another company now but I will think twice if I ever have to design a Winbond or Atmel part in a design. So this blacklist somewhat survives between companies in the perception that designers have of the brands. So there is a big reputation hit when a supplier misbehaves like this. Shortages, supply chain issues, have a big impact on their customers, and the customers will strike back one way or another. Big customers might use lawyers or penalties in supply chain agreements, and smaller customers will switch and blacklist. |
| Klemken:
We use STM32F031F6P6 for one of our main projects and its out of stock on farnell, arrow, mouser,.. everywhere and according to support, it wont be restocked for months. Luckly STM32L031F6P6 is in stock everywhere, compatible and only requires a small amount of modification to software to work for us. But still, its annoying. |
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